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Unless someone entered an exact copy of a card I made into a contest, or had it published as his/her own, who cares if someone copies my ideas? That's why we upload cards to the Gallery, right? To share and inspire? If you don't want anyone "copying" your cards, then I suggest you keep them in a private gallery that only you have access to.
It all boils down to the reason you post in the Gallery. Do you upload your cards because you want to share and inspire others, or do you do it to show off and receive praise? Really, folks, it's just a card. :rolleyes: (gasp!).
I get alot of my inspriration here . Have I ever copied a card exactly, I have to admit I have. I don't post my cards most are mailed to friends and family. I do belong to a stamping group and I do give credit. Usually it's " This is a SCS case" everyone knows what that means LOL. But I have not given direct credit or asked for permission. I was Planning to start a gallery. If I do, does that mean I can't post any of my older cards for fear someone will think I stole their idea. To be really honest, with using mostly Stampin" up supplies, isn't it possible that more than one person might decide that they are going to use a set, with an embossing folder and nesti and come up with something really similar to something someone else created? Also I have bought many sets I would not have if the wonderfully creative people on this sight hadn't posted their LOVELY! cards.
Thanks for the ideas to all that have inspired me..Sorry I don't have your names but if I did I would GLADLY give you credit!! Bev
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According to the article by Seth it appears we all better be extremely selective "if" we post anything here or on a personal blog.. There is no way to know who really developed an idea, layout or technique so to be safe it appears not posting cards is a wise idea .
I start from scratch to make my cards, but I have seen techniques on the internet and adapted them .
I didn't create the technique of making a rosette and have no idea who really did. I have seen them on hundreds of cards . I don't want to spend hours researching to find the originator of the rosette and credit them or ask permission just to post a card with one. Nor am I willing to spend weeks researching thousands of blogs and galleries to be sure no one did a layout like mine.
I just make cards for my family and friends and it is best if they are the only ones to see them.
__________________ "I have not failed . I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work" --Thomas A. Edison
I personally don't care if anyone copies any of my cards. When I started stamping, I actually copied cards exactly out of the stampin up catalog. That is how I learned how to make cards. I didn't start making my own designs until I found SCS challenges.
Now, many years later I hardly favorite anything anymore, and just try to remember the things I see online. I do use sketches from sketch challenges and sometimes color challenges. All the other elements on my cards are things I probably saw somewhere at some point.
Forgot to add..I did not post my copied cards anywhere online (but then again I didn't really do much on the computer back then either). And now, whenever I do know where I got a specific idea from I always link back to the page or mention the name if no link is available.
Not too long ago, I saw a posting asking for submissions of cards - and they said they could NOT have been posted anywhere on the internet for ... I forget, a month or two? And not after the submission for a month or two.
Now we know why!!!!
__________________ Kathy Wrose
"Fun must be always." - Tomas Hertl, NHL "It was fun." - Kirk, Star Trek: Generations
bottom Line:
if you COPY EXACTLY someone's card idea, do NOT submit it to a magazine for publishing or enter in a contest.
If you post it on your blog, just give them credit for the idea , after asking them of course.
And - don't steal the image to put on your personal selling website as "samples" of cards you can make!
__________________ Kathy Wrose
"Fun must be always." - Tomas Hertl, NHL "It was fun." - Kirk, Star Trek: Generations
As a former print journalist and wanna-be fiction writer, I can understand any artist's concerns of plagiarism--even if it is "just a card". I believe it would be morally, ethically and legally wrong to make an EXACT copy of a card and submit it for publication or sell it for financial gain without the original artists permission.
That said, I wouldn't hesitate to make an exact (or as near as my limited skills would allow) copy of a card and give it to my mother, sister or friend. And no, I don't feel it necessary to ask anyone's permission to do so.
SplitcoastStampers.com is a sharing site. Imitation, even replication, is not only accepted but often expected. Members who post on this site should understand that their artwork may be duplicated--much the same way art students of days gone by attempted to duplicated the work of the masters.
If someone wants to show off their work, but does not want their work to be used as teaching examples they should NOT post their artwork on SplitcoastStampers.com.
If they simply want to show it off, they should post it on their own site and leave a clear comment stating that replication is now allowed (or not allowed without permission). It won't stop some people from "stealing" the idea. But at least by doing so, it won't ruin the whole sharing experience for members who come here to learn, to teach, to share--to do what this site was created to do.
According to the article by Seth it appears we all better be extremely selective "if" we post anything here or on a personal blog.. There is no way to know who really developed an idea, layout or technique so to be safe it appears not posting cards is a wise idea .
That is not what I got from Seth's article at all. It's true that using someone else's picture (as in a photograph that someone else took), you could be crossing the line, and it would be wise to stay away from that, but it seemed to me that he was saying that "fair use" is what allows us to have discussions and expand on ideas and such. I personally interpreted that to include that we're good to go with CASEing, in that we are not using someone else's IMAGE, just their IDEA (or a combination of many, as has already been discussed here).
An analogy comes to mind: the Japanese people did not invent the stereo or the television or the car, but they improved on that invention until they became the leader in the industry - or at least widely recognized for their excellence. Likewise, we may not originate an idea, but we can take it and run with it until we (at least) are happy with it!
He also made the point that - for right or wrong - someone, somewhere will get a bee in their bonnet and hire a lawyer and go too far... That would be incredibly rare (I'm thinking) in a hobby like stamping...
That is not what I got from Seth's article at all. It's true that using someone else's picture (as in a photograph that someone else took), you could be crossing the line, and it would be wise to stay away from that, but it seemed to me that he was saying that "fair use" is what allows us to have discussions and expand on ideas and such. I personally interpreted that to include that we're good to go with CASEing, in that we are not using someone else's IMAGE, just their IDEA (or a combination of many, as has already been discussed here).
An analogy comes to mind: the Japanese people did not invent the stereo or the television or the car, but they improved on that invention until they became the leader in the industry - or at least widely recognized for their excellence. Likewise, we may not originate an idea, but we can take it and run with it until we (at least) are happy with it!
He also made the point that - for right or wrong - someone, somewhere will get a bee in their bonnet and hire a lawyer and go too far... That would be incredibly rare (I'm thinking) in a hobby like stamping...
I agree with your interpretation. Thats how I understood it.
I find that, even if I set out to copy a card exactly, it NEVER happens. I end up choosing a different paper, a different color, a different focal image, a different embellishment. Often, those changes come from ohter cards, so mine end up having a hodge-podge of inspirations.
I cannot presume to think that I'm the only person to have ever put Rich Razzleberry and Old Olive together, nor that I have re-invented the wheel when I tie a bow with a ribbon that thousands of other people have purchased. I REALLY cannot assume that I didn't at some point scroll across a card that had RR and OO, or one that had a bow on it which planted that idea in my brain a month ago. By the time I finish a card (and post something here in some cases) it has likely come from so many different places there's no way I could figure out who to credit.
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I cannot presume to think that I'm the only person to have ever put Rich Razzleberry and Old Olive together, nor that I have re-invented the wheel when I tie a bow with a ribbon that thousands of other people have purchased. I REALLY cannot assume that I didn't at some point scroll across a card that had RR and OO, or one that had a bow on it which planted that idea in my brain a month ago. By the time I finish a card (and post something here in some cases) it has likely come from so many different places there's no way I could figure out who to credit.
I don't think colour combinations could ever be copywritten as that would pretty stop everyone and everything in it's/their tracks, neither the method of ribbon tying. I think the only thing a person could protect is their actual layout and even that is debatable.
I am certainly down with giving credit to the source of your inspiration, and getting oodles of wonderful ideas from the gallery. My swap card for the upcoming regional is a CASE of a card I found in the gallery, and I've already included that info into the ingredients label. I am learning new things everyday about this wonderful community.
I have two interesting questions....
First, I've been considering uploading the cards I've made at the SU stamping classes I attend. (Of course, I'll make sure it is okay with my demo.) I will give her credit, but do I need to know where she get the idea from?
Also, what if you start CASEing a card in the gallery, but make so many changes to the design that it no longer resembles the original?
I will certainly post comments on the two cards I've CASEd to let them know and to thank them for the inspiration , when I upload pics of my cards to my gallery. I'll have to figure out how to include a link, but that shouldn't be hard to learn.
First, I've been considering uploading the cards I've made at the SU stamping classes I attend. (Of course, I'll make sure it is okay with my demo.) I will give her credit, but do I need to know where she get the idea from?
Also, what if you start CASEing a card in the gallery, but make so many changes to the design that it no longer resembles the original?
Here is my interpretation:
1. No, just where you got it from.
2. If you changed a good bit then you got inspiration, you didn't copy. If it no longer resembles the original, then you don't need to identify the source.
As a former print journalist and wanna-be fiction writer, I can understand any artist's concerns of plagiarism--even if it is "just a card". I believe it would be morally, ethically and legally wrong to make an EXACT copy of a card and submit it for publication or sell it for financial gain without the original artists permission.
That said, I wouldn't hesitate to make an exact (or as near as my limited skills would allow) copy of a card and give it to my mother, sister or friend. And no, I don't feel it necessary to ask anyone's permission to do so.
SplitcoastStampers.com is a sharing site. Imitation, even replication, is not only accepted but often expected. Members who post on this site should understand that their artwork may be duplicated--much the same way art students of days gone by attempted to duplicated the work of the masters.
If someone wants to show off their work, but does not want their work to be used as teaching examples they should NOT post their artwork on SplitcoastStampers.com.
If they simply want to show it off, they should post it on their own site and leave a clear comment stating that replication is now allowed (or not allowed without permission). It won't stop some people from "stealing" the idea. But at least by doing so, it won't ruin the whole sharing experience for members who come here to learn, to teach, to share--to do what this site was created to do.
Well said!
Yeah...I'm a CASEr. Yeah...I post cards I've CASEd. Yeah...I try my best to give credit of some sort on my posts. I guess I always focused on the word "share"....and I thought that was the whole idea behind SCS. I have (on rare occasion) actually come up with something kinda cool, and if someone chooses to CASE it, I view it as a compliment. Most of the time, however, I look to SCS for inspiration and CASE lots of things!! I hope those whom I CASE view my attempts as a compliment as well.
I guess it's all in how you look at it...
Happy stamping...and happy CASEing
JJ
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I keep wondering if this thread is about a card CASE here where people were actually helping the CASE'r with layering, colors etc. before Christmas. The CASE'r's mother looks through the galleries and picks her Christmas cards (to send) from there!
I wasn't quite certain how I felt about it at the time as it was an absolute CASE. However, truthfully we see it all the time in other areas in our lives. How many brides go to the florist and want this bouquet, that cake, etc... (brides easy target, lots of "creative" decisions).
I think I've read just about every post but what about challenges that are specific to CASE someones work? Would that mean everyone that participated should be sued? Even if you are supposed to change a couple of thing?
If you are not doing it for gain monetary/professional then I think any judge (and hopefully lawyer before it got to a judge) would throw out a CASE case without a lot of evidence to support unique ideas that were stolen for gain.
Copyright cases (if you read the news) normally hinge on taking away profits from the originator of the idea. Louis Vuitton doesn't make cakes so although everything is used to make it look like his original it doesn't compete with the original. However, black market knockoffs are different.
Now is a CASE a knockoff? I think an educated guess would still want to know what the damages were and how that impacted (financially/professionally) the originator who would also have to prove their unique, original idea in context of one off cards. That's a lot of money in legal fees for a card, unless you are Kate Spade etc. and then you aren't protecting the card so much as the design work on the card... There are a few talented artists on these boards that draw cards from scratch, however in the majority most here are reliant upon other's copyrighted items to make their card. Legally as far as CASEing goes, I would take an educated guess it is non-starter in 99% of the time.
Just try to give credit and at worst if you CASE and can't think of who inspired you put that in your write up - chances are if someone actually recognizes it as a CASE they will let you know so you can update the information.
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I'm one of those who would think it's absolute flattery to have one of my creations CASEd. I provide a product list or at least a "unknown this or that" description if it's an image or paper that I'm not sure who the maker is. I post my things on the internet and have no problem with someone recreating something of mine exactly, as long as they don't submit it to a challenge or publication or make any financial gain from it. It would suck so much if someone completely copied a card of mine and managed to sell hundreds of it. Besides, I think you shouldn't publish something on the internet anyway if you're going to submit it for publication. I think that's one of the rules for submitting artwork for publication in magazines, isn't it?
I do agree it's common courtesy to attribute credit where credit is due, if possible.
Another thought keeps coming to mind as I keep coming back again and again to this thread (obviously - I'm such a thread hog!): Every now and then I've looked at my blog stats to see where people are clicking through from, and MANY times it is from a Google image. This is just a photo of whatever card, linked back to my blog, that is floating out there in the ether for anyone who is googling to snag and view and/or use how they will. There is NO WAY to know who finds it or who uses it, and life is just too freakin' short for me to care - even if they're making money from it. I doubt that they will make enough for it to really impact anything, and if they get famous from it, THEN it will be where I can notice it and decide if it needs pursuing as far as making a case for copyright infringement. Otherwise, it's like chasing a tail - lots of wasted effort/energy/emotion for ZERO progress! If they are that desperate for ideas, then they need it worse than me, know what I mean? Keep calm, and create on!
Another thought keeps coming to mind as I keep coming back again and again to this thread (obviously - I'm such a thread hog!): Every now and then I've looked at my blog stats to see where people are clicking through from, and MANY times it is from a Google image. This is just a photo of whatever card, linked back to my blog, that is floating out there in the ether for anyone who is googling to snag and view and/or use how they will. There is NO WAY to know who finds it or who uses it, and life is just too freakin' short for me to care - even if they're making money from it. I doubt that they will make enough for it to really impact anything, and if they get famous from it, THEN it will be where I can notice it and decide if it needs pursuing as far as making a case for copyright infringement. Otherwise, it's like chasing a tail - lots of wasted effort/energy/emotion for ZERO progress! If they are that desperate for ideas, then they need it worse than me, know what I mean? Keep calm, and create on!
I doubt that they will make enough for it to really impact anything, and if they get famous from it, THEN it will be where I can notice it and decide if it needs pursuing as far as making a case for copyright infringement. Otherwise, it's like chasing a tail - lots of wasted effort/energy/emotion for ZERO progress! If they are that desperate for ideas, then they need it worse than me, know what I mean? Keep calm, and create on!
That's my opinion as well. If someone published an exact copy of something I did, then I'd be upset, otherwise It's not worth the worry.
I do think this thread has been very enlightening though. I think it's getting inspiration and ideas from others' work is a wonderful part of SCS. It's great to hear that so many people do try to acknowledge others' work.
Also good to remember the difference between making a card and creating the art (stamps) many people use on them. I'm all for copyright enforcement to protect images as it does affect earnings.
And yeah, I'm old (well maybe not that old!) and proud and also remember it from "Four Weddings and a Funeral"
Ha! Ha! I'm so old I remember that song Oops-I'm not calling you old though!
Old is an attitude, which I hope to never acquire, thank you very much! HOWEVER, I will never, ever lie about my age - I earned every one of my 55 years, and I'm keeping them ALL!!!
Old is an attitude, which I hope to never acquire, thank you very much! HOWEVER, I will never, ever lie about my age - I earned every one of my 55 years, and I'm keeping them ALL!!!
PS: Thank you Kristi, I love you, too...
I'm right on your tail at 53. I do joke about being old but don't generally feel old. However, when some kid calls me maam----that just sends me! ARGH!!
I'm going to be a total B**** here... but if you don't like that someone CASE's your card, don't put it on here. This is a sharing/learning community. We all look through for inspiration... some people take more inspiration than others. Some take alot of inspiration and don't give credit, but honestly that's a courtesy not a requirement. Now, if someone reproduces your card exactly and sells it to Hallmark, then you have an issue... but seriously?!?!? I can't believe we even have this discussion. Just my overly frustrated 2 cents.
Just to stay on topic...I found a stamp set today that I thought would work for an outside-the-box card. I was so proud that I had come up with this all by myself, lol!
Of course, you see where this is going. I decided that with all this discussion on CASEing
I'd better make sure this set hadn't been done before. Well, you know it had and done very well I might add. My card won't look as nice as the other one but I'll make it anyway. My point is, I could have made my card and would have no idea that a similar one was out there (although I should know better). It wouldn't be an exact CASE but
probably similar enough for the other poster to notice. And all done with no malice.
I could have made my card and would have no idea that a similar one was out there (although I should know better). It wouldn't be an exact CASE but probably similar enough for the other poster to notice. And all done with no malice.
Thank you very much - you just proved everybody's point!
I'm right on your tail at 53. I do joke about being old but don't generally feel old. However, when some kid calls me maam----that just sends me! ARGH!!
Yeah, when the kid in the grocery store (just doing his job, I'm sure) asks, "would you like some help out with that, ma'am?" I feel like clocking him with my cane. Oh...wait...I don't have a cane...
Every now and then I've looked at my blog stats to see where people are clicking through from, and MANY times it is from a Google image.
Thats me! When I am in need of a creativity boost, I Google Image "handmade --------- cards" (Fill in the blank: Birthday, Christmas etc) and if I see one that I really like, I will print it out. I then put it into my inspiration notebook and save it. I might never look at it again, I might pull it out when someone's birthday is coming up and I need an idea. One thing that I do not do is write down where the card came from. I don't publish them anywhere so I don't think this thread applies to me really; I guess I just felt the need to say that after reading what you posted.
So...for all of those who's cards I have CASEd and sent to family and friends, I say this: Thank you for the inspiration Keep on doing what your doing because you are all very talented. One day maybe I will come up with something that shows up on Google Image and I can smile and remember when.....
__________________ "For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack" ~Rudyard Kipling my gallery
I routinely Google the name of the stamp set I want to use, click image and then peruse the pages of cards created with that stamp set. I want inspiration. If I see a card that I like, I will use it for inspiration only, because when it comes down it to, any time I CASE a card it never comes out exactly as what I saw/see when I'm trolling the 'net for inspiration.
So, rather than copy a card exactly, I'll look for ways to use a stamp set or use punches to create a card that appeals to me.
I've never published my cards, nor do I really want to because there are so many talented papercrafters out there. I do from time to time post my creations in my gallery and give credit to the person that inspired the card. I post to get feedback on my creation. I've not posted lately, as I have a new camera and I can't figure out how to adjust the settings so that when I upload the picture, it is the proper size for uploading to SCS. If anyone knows how I can do this, I'd love to upload my holiday cards so that I can receive feedback and continued inspiration.
As far as getting upset over someone completely copying my creativity: I say just let it roll off your back. Life is too short to get worked up about it.
I've not posted lately, as I have a new camera and I can't figure out how to adjust the settings so that when I upload the picture, it is the proper size for uploading to SCS. If anyone knows how I can do this, I'd love to upload my holiday cards so that I can receive feedback and continued inspiration.
If you're running Windows XP, there is a free download for an image resizer. Go to microsoft.com and go to the downloads, then to the power toys, and it will be listed there. It shows up as an option when you right-click a photo, and you will have several sizes to choose from. There may be programs out there for other operating systems, as well, but since I run Windows XP, that's the one I'm familiar with...
Try setting it so the pic size is VGA. That's a perfect size for splitcoast and you don't need to resize manually, just upload from cam to computer and from there to the gallery. It saves so much time and effort! The problem is I am not sure which menu you would adjust that in. On my cam you go to Image Size and the options are VGA, 1M, 16:9 L and 16:9 S. I have no idea what the others mean except that VGA= no need to resize pics to upload here.
Originally Posted by DigitalStamper63
I routinely Google the name of the stamp set I want to use, click image and then peruse the pages of cards created with that stamp set. I want inspiration. If I see a card that I like, I will use it for inspiration only, because when it comes down it to, any time I CASE a card it never comes out exactly as what I saw/see when I'm trolling the 'net for inspiration.
So, rather than copy a card exactly, I'll look for ways to use a stamp set or use punches to create a card that appeals to me.
I've never published my cards, nor do I really want to because there are so many talented papercrafters out there. I do from time to time post my creations in my gallery and give credit to the person that inspired the card. I post to get feedback on my creation. I've not posted lately, as I have a new camera and I can't figure out how to adjust the settings so that when I upload the picture, it is the proper size for uploading to SCS. If anyone knows how I can do this, I'd love to upload my holiday cards so that I can receive feedback and continued inspiration.
As far as getting upset over someone completely copying my creativity: I say just let it roll off your back. Life is too short to get worked up about it.
I honestly don't even see the point in this. This is not the first time this issue has cropped up, nor will it be the last and it is just silly. I always wonder what people think they have done that has never been done before?
so true!
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