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Okay, I have the blue BIA which has never been over user-friendly, but the new machines look so tempting. The Cinch (whenever it is available) is a possibility; the pink BIA, well, if I'm going to get a new machine, do I really want just an improved version of what I already own? And YourStory, what's the latest on it? It is so cheap now ($25 @ ohmycrafts).
I'd be curious to hear deets from YourStory owners. Do you love it? Are supplies for it easy to find, or are they getting harder? Is it as cheap to use as to purchase?
I'm also thinking about purchasing a binding machine, and I have a friend who has the pink BIA, and she also says it's not very user friendly. I did see the video for the Cinch, which is posted on another thread, and I'm thinking I'll put my money on it. I think the Cinch will be available sometime in February, if I heard right.
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We were very impressed with the Cinch at CHA. It has a 6" punching area -- twice the width of the BIA, and the paper goes in parallel to your table, which I like better than a vertical orientation. I love the disengageable dies feature, where you can choose exactly which holes to punch. I can see a lot of creative uses for that feature -- it makes the machine very versatile. We placed a large order. Can't wait to get mine!
I really like what I've seen with the Cinch. I have a Bind it All, and it really is a pain to use. Granted, I have the older blue/green version.... but I rarely use it anymore just because it is such a pain. I'm excited to try out the Cinch, and I hope it won't be too expensive.
The Cinch is definitely looking promising. Anyone happen to know the pitch of the holes? I decided I didn't want the BIA because I wanted books that had removable wires (e.g. to make cardstock swatch books - it would be nice to be able to add new colours). It looks like you can just purchase coil rings to fit the Cinch holes, if you don't want the o-wire type?
The Cinch is definitely looking promising. Anyone happen to know the pitch of the holes? I decided I didn't want the BIA because I wanted books that had removable wires (e.g. to make cardstock swatch books - it would be nice to be able to add new colours). It looks like you can just purchase coil rings to fit the Cinch holes, if you don't want the o-wire type?
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The holes are 2:1 pitch, just like the BIA holes, only the Cinch holes are circular.
You could definitely use binding rings with the Cinch holes -- and you can punch any number of holes you want, with plenty space in between each hole.
We were very impressed with the Cinch at CHA. It has a 6" punching area -- twice the width of the BIA, and the paper goes in parallel to your table, which I like better than a vertical orientation. I love the disengageable dies feature, where you can choose exactly which holes to punch. I can see a lot of creative uses for that feature -- it makes the machine very versatile. We placed a large order. Can't wait to get mine!
Do you own a store? Is it like your name, lots of tools? (I'm addicted to Scrapbooking tools. I'd get help, but I really love my addiction.)
We were very impressed with the Cinch at CHA. It has a 6" punching area -- twice the width of the BIA, and the paper goes in parallel to your table, which I like better than a vertical orientation. I love the disengageable dies feature, where you can choose exactly which holes to punch. I can see a lot of creative uses for that feature -- it makes the machine very versatile. We placed a large order. Can't wait to get mine!
Is it easy to line up your paper so each stack the holes are all in the same spot? That's why I didn't buy the BIA, I didn't think I'd be able to get a big stack all lined up exactly right. But with a 6" punching area, maybe it'd be easier.
Is it easy to line up your paper so each stack the holes are all in the same spot? That's why I didn't buy the BIA, I didn't think I'd be able to get a big stack all lined up exactly right. But with a 6" punching area, maybe it'd be easier.
Very easy! There is a firm guide to put your paper against, just like with the Rubicoil machine.
I'm addicted to Scrapbooking tools. I'd get help, but I really love my addiction.
Me too! My name is Bonnie, and I'm a tool addict. LOL!
The holes are 2:1 pitch, just like the BIA holes, only the Cinch holes are circular.
You could definitely use binding rings with the Cinch holes -- and you can punch any number of holes you want, with plenty space in between each hole.
Thank you so much for this info - very helpful! Unfortunately standard coil binding is 4:1 so not sure how easy it would be to find 2:1. Maybe there is a different type of coil binding that comes in the larger pitch. Time for some internet research! I would just love to have the option of creating books that can be added to - I've heard that the o-wire type binding are not super easy to open & close (as that is not what they are designed for).
As you say, the binding rings would work in a pinch!
I have always been interested in the Rubicoil (spiral plastic coils) but didn't like the size and the cost. I never understood metal binding. I find it unattractive and easily bent. I also like the idea of adding pages which is easily done with spiral plastic coils. Saw something about The Cinch so did a little research. It looked great but was disappointed that it used metal binding. I wondered if I could find plastic coils to fit. (Had never heard of "pitch" so had no idea what the different sizes meant!) No success with finding 2:1 plastic coils (may be some engineering reason why plastic would not be good in that size) but did find a site with this info, http://www.mybinding.com/.sc/ms/ch/A...-Supplies.html, which discusses the various sizes. I now understand that 2:1 means 2 holes per inch (duh!). According to the above site 2:1 is for documents 9/16" to 1 1/8"! I would think crafters would be binding smaller documents which means more holes per inch. Why does the BIA and now The Cinch use this size? Am I missing something? What is the attraction to metal binding? Why hasn't someone developed a spiral coil punch for the crafter???
Ok...this is the first I've ever heard of the Cinch....who makes it? (my search so far has come up with lots of snowboard binding information, but non on the CINCH):rolleyes:
Here is the URL for a BIA tutorial that shows how to make a template to get perfect placement every time. For the FIRST time I can actually use this machine for something larger than the width of the machine. I hope this will help someone else. The new CINCH does look very promising, but with a limited budget, I will have to stick with what I have for right now. http://dan99.blogspot.com/2008/10/vi...nd-it-all
Sounds like Cinch is in the lead for best potential. So we can use our Zutter rings with it? We'll be able to add pages to a project once it's bound? That's a plus!
No one has opinions on YourStory? Is it that unloved? If you're going to have a machine that doesn't let you alter the size of a project once bound, I still like the idea of a glued binding for a neater look than metal or plastic rings.
Sounds like Cinch is in the lead for best potential. So we can use our Zutter rings with it? We'll be able to add pages to a project once it's bound? That's a plus!
It is not easy to add pages to a wire-bound book; it's easy to REMOVE the wire, but not easy to re-form the wire without it looking bent or messy. That's the main drawback to wire binding, IMHO.
But you can always remove the wire binding and replace it with a new wire when you want to add pages. (And if you buy boxed wires -- instead of packages of two or six -- it's inexpensive enough to do that.)
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Sounds like Cinch is in the lead for best potential. So we can use our Zutter rings with it? We'll be able to add pages to a project once it's bound? That's a plus!
No one has opinions on YourStory? Is it that unloved? If you're going to have a machine that doesn't let you alter the size of a project once bound, I still like the idea of a glued binding for a neater look than metal or plastic rings.
I love my YourStory - I think it is great for making photo albums, digi books, regular scrapbooks - but for journals, planners, notebooks, etc, I really prefer wire bound O ring or coil bound. It's hard with the YourStory to get books to open flat and such. I want a binding machine for the journals, planners, notebooks, things like that, and then keep using to YourStory for photo albums/scrapbooks and things like that.
KateFerg,
Thanks for the coil link - great info. I agree - why can't someone make a lightweight coil binding system for us crafters? The only spiral coil machines I've seen so far are pretty big (i.e. expensive). I guess the RubiCoil is the closest. I was hoping the Cinch was going to be a 4:1 pitch. Hmm... wonder if there's a way to modify their guide so that after punching normally with the Cinch, you could then shift it to punch exactly in between the 2 existing holes, thus altering the original 2:1 holes into 4:1 holes... huh, I think that would work!
I have some BIA wires, so I'm guessing I can use them? The problem is they're 1/2" and I think the smallest my Cinch can go is 3/4".
Bonnie, I checked out your site. The wires you sell there... they can be used on either the BIA or Cinch, yes?
Just confirming.
Yes, our binding wires work with the Cinch and the Bind-it-all.
And you can use 1/2inch wires with the Cinch -- you'll just need to use a shim to raise the book before you close the wires, I cut a narrow piece of book board for that purpose, but anything firm would work. Foamcore
is not firm enough, for example.
Yes, our binding wires work with the Cinch and the Bind-it-all.
And you can use 1/2inch wires with the Cinch -- you'll just need to use a shim to raise the book before you close the wires, I cut a narrow piece of book board for that purpose, but anything firm would work. Foamcore
is not firm enough, for example.
Bonnie, thanks for answering.
So I'm guessing you just cut the book board but then lay it FLUSH against the back of the Cinch...otherwise, it would seem like you'd need a lot of sheets to make a "stack" big enough to accommodate the size.
Great idea! I'll work on making my shim this evening...thank you.
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So I'm guessing you just cut the book board but then lay it FLUSH against the back of the Cinch...otherwise, it would seem like you'd need a lot of sheets to make a "stack" big enough to accommodate the size.
Great idea! I'll work on making my shim this evening...thank you.
You would put the strip of book board flat underneath the 1/2" wire -- that will raise the wire higher on the closing platform so that when the closing apparatus pushes down to close the wire, it can close the 1/2" wire using the 3/4" setting.
It seems that if I lay the book board FLAT under the wire, the board wouldn't be thick enough to make up for the 1/4" difference between the 1/2" wire and the 3/4" setting of the machine.
It seems like I would need something 1/4" thick to shim under the wire. That's why I mistakenly thought I would need to cut a strip off board 1/4" wide and place it FLUSH against the machine... almost like a "wall" against the back of the machine and my wire would rest (sort of!) on the edge of the board.
As you said, I'll just have to play around with it so I can understand the whole concept! LOL!
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It seems that if I lay the book board FLAT under the wire, the board wouldn't be thick enough to make up for the 1/4" difference between the 1/2" wire and the 3/4" setting of the machine.
It seems like I would need something 1/4" thick to shim under the wire. That's why I mistakenly thought I would need to cut a strip off board 1/4" wide and place it FLUSH against the machine... almost like a "wall" against the back of the machine and my wire would rest (sort of!) on the edge of the board.
As you said, I'll just have to play around with it so I can understand the whole concept! LOL!
I'm sorry I'm not explaining it well! The Bind-it-All presses wires from the side, so if you need a shim in the BIA, you'd stand the shim against the back of the machine -- but the Cinch presses wires downward from ABOVE, so that's why you'd put your shim UNDER the wire to raise it up. Hope this is clearer --
Oh, Bonnie...it's not YOUR explanation, it's the mind of the person reading it! LOL! I swear... old age makes me go "huh?!" more and more... and I'm 43! :P
I got the "shim goes under" part...
I think of the shim as a paint mix stick or ruler shape... flat but 1/4" wide, a thickness of maybe 1/16" (as book board has that thickness). If I lay the shim FLAT then there's only an elevation of 1/16" (the thickness of the book board). I thought I'd have to position it UP on one of its edges to the "height"/elevation would be the 1/4" (the WIDTH of the shim).
You've been so sweet in trying to explain... so I won't ask you to further clarify.
It's completely ME who is not grasping it.
I'm grateful you tried... many people would have given up!
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Okay, so last year, b/c of advice on this thread, I added the YourStory. Talk about a professional look! # of pages is what I find to be the major downside on that machine.
I still haven't ruled out the Cinch completely.
I have a couple of hesitations there, though. Rough edges is one problem I'm reading about. Is that a wide-spread problem, or is it isolated to a few machines?
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