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Old 05-02-2010, 03:38 PM   #1  
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Question Postage on ALL square env. +.20?!?

Hi. I had heard through the grapevine that in some areas people are told they must add twenty-cents in addition to the regular stamp FOR ANY SIZED SQUARE ENVELOPE!!

I didn't want my recipient's to have to pay the extra. I haven't heard anything about this from anyone.

I asked my mailwoman, and she said any size square envelope is an additional twenty cents.

My question to all of you is what happens when you mail a square card? How much do you pay? And, if you put a regular stamp on, have you heard of your recipient's needing to pay, or have you been told to pay? Thanks so much!

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I do not know the exact amount, but square envelopes do require more postage than a 44cent stamp.
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Yes, square cards that weigh 1oz or less are .64 cents. It's because the machines sort rectangle cards, but square cards have to be put through the reader by hand. Even square envelopes you buy at Hallmark or wherever will say "extra postage required" on the envelopes. It's a bummer for me because I love square cards!

I did read a good tip on here that can help. If you have a say a square 4x4 card, you could still use an invitation size envelope.

Here is the website where you can get all the info on sizes and rates:

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I think ever since they changed the regs one or two changes ago, square envelopes were more (I don't know the amount, either) - something about it can't be machine sorted because the machines don't which side is supposed to be up to cancel the stamps, so it has do be hand cancelled, hence the extra cost. It might be like with the clear envelopes, some post offices enforced the extra hand-cancelling cost while others didn't. But it's been officially in effect for the square envelopes for quite some time.

Sorry for what looks like I didn't read the thread - I must just be typing really slow tonight because the post before mine wasn't there when I started typing.
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Whenever I have sent a square envelope/card, there has long been an extra charge. Before the postage went up to $0.44, I think the extra charge was $0.17. But ever since we've had the $0.44 for standard 1 oz. envies, the squares have been an additional $0.20. Thus, I have a few 20-cent stamps in my stash.

The same actually applies to 'bulky' envies that cannot slip through their little 1/4" slot gauge as well. It hinders machine-sorting.
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And yet the bulky envelopes from Publishers Clearing House which show up at my house in multiples daily carry only 17 cents postage.......
Explain to me again why the Postal SErvice needs to reduce service days to pay down their red ink----------------------------
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yes, 20 extra cents for square cards. i get around that by putting the square card in a larger rectangular envelope. i place a piece of scrap cardstock in the envelope also to keep the card from moving around.

as long as there are no heavy embellisments or anything to make it bulky, it goes for 44 cents.

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I like to make 4.25" square cards, that way I can tuck them into A2 envelopes. I add a piece of cardstock I've run through my crimper to add some extra bulk to the sides and then put a regular stamp on them. Never had a problem that way.

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I know the additional-postage-for-square-envie thing/rule has been in place for a while.... it's why I didn't send square wedding invitations in '98.
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I mail a lot of 5 x 5 square and the .61 postage is perfect...always get where they are going and no postage due.
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I have had them returned with "more postage required" so I just slap two stamps on them and know for sure they will get where they are going.
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I have had them returned with "more postage required" so I just slap two stamps on them and know for sure they will get where they are going.
I'm too lazy to run into the P.O. to have them tell me exactly how much (more) I have to add to my regular first-class postage stamp, so I do this for my square and bulky cards too.

But now that I know it's an even .20 more, I'll get some of those stamps to have on hand. Thanks for the info.
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Wow! So many ideas and information available from each of you! Thank you so much for letting me know. I was stunned! Square cards are my favorites!

I wonder if we need to rework the math to make easel cards, and joy cards and well, the cards into larger size...non-square cards? Hmmm. It just occured to me.

Thanks again, everyone!

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Either this month or next there will be a new butterfly stamp that costs 64 cents for all of your square cards! Then you'll always have the right postage and they'll look pretty!
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I only put .61 on all mine and they are never returned and always get to their destination without additonal postage due...hey .03 more in my pocket...I mail a LOT of cards....
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I like to make 4.25" square cards, that way I can tuck them into A2 envelopes. I add a piece of cardstock I've run through my crimper to add some extra bulk to the sides and then put a regular stamp on them. Never had a problem that way.

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That is what I have done before too!
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I made the mistake of going into the PO with some hand made cards and the clerk felt, pinched and generally pawed every single card ( even the ones with no extra embellishments) and declared that every one of them required additional postage or other envelopes. None of the cards were square. Since then I simply put the square cards into rectangular envelopes and put regular postage on them. Also just put a 44 cent stamp on my A-2 envelopes and put them in the mail box outside the post office. They all get delivered without problems or additional postage due. If you give the po a chance to knit pick they do. At least at our local po.
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There were no brads or ribbons on my Easter cards. I did some punch art and only the bunny's body was popped up with 1/8" foam -- not the ears or feet. I mailed about 10 of them and one came back with postage due. And the thing is, that friend lives the closest to me. (I told her it came back and she said "oh that's good, I thought you had taken me off your list."
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Just found this thread. I've never had a problem mailing things with 44 cent postage - but Sunday a woman at church told me that my card to her required her to pick it up at the postoffice because their was postage due. This makes me wonder if other cards required additional postage but people just didn't tell me. She told me because she actually had to go to the post office to pick it up - and since she is elderly that was a real inconvenience. Makes me think that I should just suck-it-up and make sure that I pay the extra postage, not the people I'm trying to cheer up.
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Just found this thread. I've never had a problem mailing things with 44 cent postage - but Sunday a woman at church told me that my card to her required her to pick it up at the postoffice because their was postage due. This makes me wonder if other cards required additional postage but people just didn't tell me. She told me because she actually had to go to the post office to pick it up - and since she is elderly that was a real inconvenience. Makes me think that I should just suck-it-up and make sure that I pay the extra postage, not the people I'm trying to cheer up.
That's how I look at it too. I also think of all the time and materials I have in my cards - it's not a big deal to add another 20 cents. And I know if my cards arrive postage due, no friend or family member would tell me unless I ask.
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I know this probably was a rhetorical question - that is you didn't expect an answer, but here goes anyway:

1: Commercial pre-sorted (zip code) has always been much less. Coming from a USPS family, that's my recollection. It takes much less people time when it comes in bundles all nice and ready to get to the right post office. LESS people time equals much less cost. -- Not saying that I agree with the magnitude of the difference 17vs44; but there it is

2: More complicated answer, but mainly 3 reasons that I know of. USPS is a self-funded program.

> The US government has been taking money from their funds for a number of years to add to general revenue. If the federal government gave it back, they'd be fine or at least have MUCH less red ink. AS you may recall the feds has taken money from social security designated funds too which is part of what is causing so many budget issues with Soc Sec.

> The volume of 1st class mail is way down from last year to this year --- think online bill payments, email, etc. and yet staffing and other costs have not gone down.

> USPS is the only government (or commercial) entity that I know of which requires that the PRE-FUND retiress pension fund. Everybody else is pay as you go. What a crock, huh? It's almost like the feds want the USPS to fail and be privatized. If so, expect our postage costs to skyrocket.

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My PO charges an extra 20 cents, like everyone else's. HOWEVER, if the envelope is bigger than 6 1/4" x 6 1/4", it's considered a small package/large envelope and mails for a higher rate. Thankfully I asked before I mailed my wedding invites a few years ago! They were just under. 1/8" under to be exact.

Aren't the postage rates set to go up soon? Anyone know when that's coming out?
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This is good to know! I guess some 20c postage stamps are going to find their way to my house!
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I went to mail a 5 1/2" square card yesterday with 44cents and the po hit me for an additional 20cents 'cause it's an odd size!!!!
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Unfortunately, the only cards I make are either 5.5 x 5.5 or 6.5 x 6.5" and they carry that .20 surcharge. Just today, as a matter of fact, I went to the PO and discovered when I write in 'white' on all my black envelopes, they charge another .20. It has to be hand read. Caution: please dont use white ink on your darker colored envelopes.
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I have mailed the 5x5 square cards before for .44 cents and none have ever been returned with postage due. In fact I just mailed a square card last week and the recipient got it and didn't mention that postage was due or that she had to pick it up at the PO. Guess I may need to stick to A2 or hand deliver the squares or pay extra.
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This is good to know! I guess some 20c postage stamps are going to find their way to my house!
They sell 64 cent stamps (they have dolphins on them right now ). I love square cards so I end up using a lot of them.
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Unfortunately, the only cards I make are either 5.5 x 5.5 or 6.5 x 6.5" and they carry that .20 surcharge. Just today, as a matter of fact, I went to the PO and discovered when I write in 'white' on all my black envelopes, they charge another .20. It has to be hand read. Caution: please dont use white ink on your darker colored envelopes.
Wow, now THAT one I haven't heard before. I guess you need to use a white label (or pay the extra). Too bad, Halloween cards look so cool in black envies with white writing!
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I had the chance to talk to a postal rep recently about this very thing. He told me that all square envelopes that are bumpy in any way (eg not perfectly flat) will be charged an extra .20 cents because it can not be machined. (Meaning they have to hand sort it instead of making the machine do it.) He also told me that a square card over standard square size (4 3/4" x 6 1/2") is charged an extra .20 cents because it is considered a large envelope rather than a standard envelope.

In the past when I have not put on enough postage they sent the card back to me as undeliverable and requesting extra postage.

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actually, it's 20c if it's EITHER bulky (and regular sized) OR square (even if only 4.25")... again, because it has to be hand stamped. Technically, you aren't supposed to put it in a larger envie, either, because that makes it uneven also (unless you are putting the cardstock in like some have mentioned). You may or may not get away with it, even 90% of the time, but there will be a time when the recipient will pay or you'll get it back. So it's up to you whether you want to take the chance.
I talked to someone who works for the USPS, also, and they said that they lose money on every letter sent. They said if it wasn't for businesses sending packages, they would be bankrupt.
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I only put .61 on all mine and they are never returned and always get to their destination without additonal postage due...hey .03 more in my pocket...I mail a LOT of cards....
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You have been fortunate thus far... the 17 cent surcharge is for additional ounces. The 20 cent surcharge is for non-machinable letters (like square or overly-thick cards).
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I just mail square cards in a regular envie to avoid the extra postage. I use the square envies for when I hand deliver a card or gift to the recipient.
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