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Old 05-21-2014, 06:13 PM   #1
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I know there are some talented, creative, and resourceful women and men out there. I'm trying to figure out how to use the We R Memory Keepers Envelope Punch Board to make a #10 standard size business envelope. The card is approximately 4 inches by 9 inches. Can't find the dimensions anywhere, even on their website. I'd appreciate some help in this matter. Thanks. P.S. First time posting.
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First, welcome to SCS! Happy to have you here, on the best forum on the whole big internet!

I searched a little and couldn't find any measurements for a size 10, or 4 x 9 envie. Maybe the best thing would be to take a premade envie, take it apart, see what size the paper is, and where the score marks are on it.

I'm going to give it a try and see if it works.

I love my punch board, but have never made an envie that size.
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Okay, I just took a #10 envie apart. I don't think there is a way to make one with the punch board. The deconstructed envelope is a weird hexagon shape, and not really a rectangle or square, which is what the punch board works with.

Also, the longest dimensions are several inches more than 12", which is the size of most scrapbook papers you might make envelopes from. If you think about it, the length of the envelope is 9", and you would need extra on each end to have the end flaps to fold in to meet in the middle of the envelope. 12" paper for a 9" envelope would only leave you 3", or 1-1/2" on each end to fold in, which would not be enough.

Maybe you will just have to "fancy" up a regular size 10 envie to go with your card.
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Old 05-21-2014, 10:07 PM   #4
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Hi & welcome.

Others can probably come up with a better method with the punch board than me, but here's my best effort (and you'll still need a trimmer or scissors or craft knife to trim the long side flaps as you prefer):

1. Start with a 10 1/2" square piece of paper.
2. Score and punch at 3 3/8". (I'll call this the top of the short side.)
3. Flip paper over and score and punch at 3 3/8" to make what I'll call the bottom of the short side.
4. Rotate paper to line up score marks such that you can score the short-side fold. (Score from punch-to-punch, if that makes sense. Sorry that I can't explain it better right now, but hopefully you'll be able to see what I mean.)
5. Rotate paper and repeat above steps on the other end of the paper to create the other short side of the envelope.
6. The bottom and top flaps of the long sides will be too long to close the envelope properly. You will need to cut/trim these flaps as you prefer.

You should end up with an envelope that is 4 5/16" (approximately 4 1/4") by 9 1/2", which will fit a 4 x 9 card fairly well.

Hope that helps you a bit.

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Have a look at this on-line calculator.

http://www.thecraftyowl.co.uk/EnvelopeExpert/

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You are both so clever! And what a great website with the envie calculator. I book marked that immediately.

Once again, if it's about paper, someone will have the answer.
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Others can probably come up with a better method with the punch board than me,
And indeed they have:

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Have a look at this on-line calculator.

http://www.thecraftyowl.co.uk/EnvelopeExpert/

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Thanks for this link, Lesley. Bookmarked.
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Just for curiosity/comparison sake, I quick made up an envelope via The Crafty Owl link using the dimensions of 9 1/2" for width and 4 1/4" for height. It yielded a 3/8" taller envelope than the one I came up with, just in case that matters to you. Still have to trim (or fold down/over) the long flaps. But The Crafty Owl certainly wins out for simplicity and ease of understanding.*2 thumbs up*
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Oh good grief, I sure do like to make things more difficult than they have to be. Just went back and remade an envelope using my dimensions and this time took a page from The Crafty Owl, in particular this warning:

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These dimensions will overhang your envelope board. Please reduce the size of your envelope or be careful when extending scorelines.

Use a ruler to extend the scores lines to the edge of the paper.
When I was making mine, I didn't extend my lines but rather rotated and flipped the paper to make my lines meet as needed. If you extend the lines per The Crafty Owl (I just carefully folded my paper rather than using a ruler), then I can reduce my directions to simply:

Envelope: 4 5/16" (approximately 4 1/4") x 9 1/2"
Paper: 10 1/2" square
Score: 3 3/8"
Heed The Crafty Owl warning above regarding extending the score lines.
Trim or fold long flaps as you prefer.
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I don't know it this is helpful at this point, but I found a chart at this website:
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I wonder if the OP has come back and seen how hard everyone is working on this?
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Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! I just got a chance to look at all the wonderful help you all have given me!!! I thank each and everyone of you for your help. My problem has been solved...and this ladies, is why the paper craft world is the best there is!!! Thanks for helping out a first timer!!!!!
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Oh good grief, I sure do like to make things more difficult than they have to be.
Lol! I think you did well!

I found The Crafty Owl site after spending the best part of a day trying to create a spreadsheet to work this out. I'm afraid my math skills were not equal to the task.

Did you notice she also has a calculator for making 'fat envelope' boxes?

http://www.thecraftyowl.co.uk/boxbuster/

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Amy - You're welcome.

Lesley - Thanks. Actually, I ended up recalling that I've been to that site and bookmarked it before (probably via a link from someone on Splitcoast, maybe even you) and then forgot about it, but thanks for additionally mentioning about the boxy envelopes because I didn't remember that.
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Hi Lesleybd,

Love the crafty owl link. I've been going a little nuts now with measurements. Thanks again so much for the link.
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I actually called WRMK to see if they had figured a way to do a #10 and was told no it would not work on the env. board.................sorry
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I actually called WRMK to see if they had figured a way to do a #10 and was told no it would not work on the env. board.................sorry
Thanks for checking with them!!!! I'd checked their website and got nothing. Didn't think to call. The crafty owl link worked great. I just had to cut down the long sides. Took seconds. I now have a pretty envelope to go with my card.
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I actually called WRMK to see if they had figured a way to do a #10 and was told no it would not work on the env. board.................sorry
You would think that the WRMK company would want to know about instructions like the ones on Crafty Owl. That clever lady ought to have a job in Research and Development at WRMK!
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You would think that the WRMK company would want to know about instructions like the ones on Crafty Owl. That clever lady ought to have a job in Research and Development at WRMK!
She should indeed!

WRMK should have done this for everyone and put it on their web site.

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You know WRMK should double check her measurements (just because you should) and then officially link her site. AND send her a thank you for helping their customers. But then again I have old fashioned values that think this way...
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You know WRMK should double check her measurements (just because you should) and then officially link her site. AND send her a thank you for helping their customers. But then again I have old fashioned values that think this way...
The double-checking her measurements makes me chuckle, because if they had double-checked their own measurements, the first batch of boards wouldn't have needed stickers to correct the mistakes they made in measurements!

And, I agree. Those calculators that she created make the envelope boards so much more useful!
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Default envelope punch board #10

I found that if I did 10 5/8 inch size paper and a 71/4 inch first punch/first score mark that it was perfect #10
Now someone check MY measurements. I held it up to a regular storebought #10 and it seemed perfect. However I was never known for my ability to count, especially after college! ha! I used to be very good in math. #whathappened?
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I'm getting such a kick out of this thread!! In my head I'm imagining every one reading AmyNelsens post and making a mad dash to their craft rooms, pulling out the punch board and feverishly working on a solution! Me included! OMG....do you think we are all hooked on this papercrafting??? LOL Lots of great answers here!
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Thanks to everyone that posted on this thread. [I wanted to reply using a quote from most of you but then I would have had to make so many posts that I would earn the label 'nutcase' instead of the moniker SCS has given me so far - Kookie Creator] I have bookmarked both Crafty Owl links and, it's late, so I won't be doing anything on my EPB tonight
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I'm getting such a kick out of this thread!! In my head I'm imagining every one reading AmyNelsens post and making a mad dash to their craft rooms, pulling out the punch board and feverishly working on a solution! Me included! OMG....do you think we are all hooked on this papercrafting??? LOL Lots of great answers here!
Got me going in there to use the new measurements for the sized envelope mentioned, too. I LOVE this site as I have noticed the great help so many give on any papercrafting subject. I guess I noticed it most when I wanted to jump right in there with my two cents! We are detail oriented or we wouldn't be in this craft! We are a bunch of paper crazed ladies/gents that love to solve (paper) problems!
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One thing you need to be careful of is whether the box or envelope calculator is for a card size or a given envelope size. I noticed this when I started using craftyowl and the other Excel-based downloadable calculator ( you can request it ScrappedLives Version 2 Envelope Punchboard Calculator). I would put the same dimensions into each one and get different starting paper sizes and punch measurements.

I think that the crafty owl will give you a envelope to fit the dimensions you enter, so you have to add an 1/8 inch (or more) to width and depth (craftyowl's terminology) if you want a card of that size to fit. The scrapped lives excel formula assumes your measurements are card measurements (like the chart on the punch board), and adds an 1/8 for you. I think it also adds an 1/8 to the box "height" dimension, compared to craftyowl. I remember noticing the scrapped lives boxes and envelopes were roomier so I went and played a bit with the two side by side. They are both wonderful!!
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I have found the Crafty Owl measurements to be completely wrong a couple of times. The Scrapped Lives measurements have been spot on every time.

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I had the same problem with Craftyowl a few times, but I think it was before I saw it was "box" size and not "card" size. I like the interface on Scrapped Lives better - not having to seperate whole inches and fractions - but not everyone has Excel or wants to give their email address to get the file.

If you make a lot of boxes with your envelope punch board, you might be interested in adding an easy extension ruler like this one posted in my gallery: CCREW0314CF Envelope Punch Board Extension Ruler by karjor - Cards and Paper Crafts at Splitcoaststampers

It makes the measurements so much easier.
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I had the same problem with Craftyowl a few times, but I think it was before I saw it was "box" size and not "card" size. I like the interface on Scrapped Lives better - not having to seperate whole inches and fractions - but not everyone has Excel or wants to give their email address to get the file.

If you make a lot of boxes with your envelope punch board, you might be interested in adding an easy extension ruler like this one posted in my gallery: CCREW0314CF Envelope Punch Board Extension Ruler by karjor - Cards and Paper Crafts at Splitcoaststampers

It makes the measurements so much easier.
Thanks so much for this - very helpful!
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