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Old 01-01-2009, 09:37 PM   #1  
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I just received my copics and have watched every tutorial I could find and check out Marianne's blog, etc. Ok, I stamped an image in Momento Tuxedo black and did my thing. I find I'm more able to get a natural look by laying down light and then making the shadows or whatever they are called with dark and then going over everything with the light one again. I had to use the color less blender a few times. THe momento ink bled alot where I used the colorless ink, but also bled where I used the C1 for a steering wheel. What am I doing wrong?

I also studied everyone's suggestions on how to buy colors that blend or go together. I purchased RV11 and RV13 and I hate the way they look together. The RV13 looks more more natural when I use it with RV21? Any suggestions on this before I purchase more markers.

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Did you mention what paper you are using?
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I agree, I would like to know what paper you are using. It sounds like maybe you have some sort of coating on your paper?? Memento should not bleed, and you should not have to heat set it, but perhaps the paper you are using would benefit from a quick zap with a heat gun. I personally really like PTI. A friend stamped off some images w/ SU! whisper white which is coated, and it gave me some grief no matter what I did, so I really think this is a paper thing.

Re the colors, it's such a matter of taste, and also if you play with them, you may like the blend more over time. A 11 and 13 are in a natural blending group, and that is a good distance btwn colors, so they should blend nicely, but that exact pair may not be your taste. It's hard when you can't pick out colors in person, but hopefully as you play more, it will work for you more, if not with the RV11, with something else.
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You already got 2 responses concerning the paper you are using so I will only say that I use Papertrey White cardstock. It is 110 lb. and works fine for me. I order it at www.papertreyink.com.

Something I can suggest that has not been mentioned is this. I had trouble staying inside some of the lines in tight spaces. Some people suggested that I stamp in VersaFine Onyx Black and then emboss in Detail Clear. It works for staying inside the lines and maybe it would also solve the problem you have with the "bleeding" of the Memento. I suggest this because if you already have a lot of cardstock, (or do not want to change the cardstock) then you only would have to spend about $5-6 for the VersaFine pad and about $3-4 for the embossing powder, both of which I got at Michaels.
Otherwise, I guess changing the paper might be your answer as others have suggested.

Hope this helps a little. Good Luck with the Copics. They are nice and very vibrant !
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I'm using the walmart Georgia Pacific paper which most people said was good. I have a little bit of PTI, I'll have to try it.
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I just received my copics and have watched every tutorial I could find and check out Marianne's blog, etc. Ok, I stamped an image in Momento Tuxedo black and did my thing. I find I'm more able to get a natural look by laying down light and then making the shadows or whatever they are called with dark and then going over everything with the light one again. I had to use the color less blender a few times. THe momento ink bled alot where I used the colorless ink, but also bled where I used the C1 for a steering wheel. What am I doing wrong?

I also studied everyone's suggestions on how to buy colors that blend or go together. I purchased RV11 and RV13 and I hate the way they look together. The RV13 looks more more natural when I use it with RV21? Any suggestions on this before I purchase more markers.

Thanks for the help. I think I'm going to like these if I can figure them out.

About the RV11 & 13 maybe it's as simple as the image you are coloring, or your personal preference to the desired look, or the paper used.

I screw up a lot and then I know what not to do next time! Playing around once you've been doing it for awhile is very fun. I have to keep reminding myself to use my other products too!
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I'm using the walmart Georgia Pacific paper which most people said was good. I have a little bit of PTI, I'll have to try it.
I've seen where people said GP was good too, but I've never had any luck with it. I switched to Gina K pure luxury and was very pleased. I've had Momento bleed a little too--I wait a bit before I start coloring (like 3-7 minutes). If I stamp and start coloring immediately, I've seen it bleed. I've had problems with the "number" system not working for me too! I even bought colors with different numbers and they ended up looking just like one another!
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I use Versafine black and GP white and I have no problems with my Copics.
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I don't really have any suggestions but I always grab a scrap paper when I am stamping and stamp a second image. Even if it is only a portion of the stamped image. I will fiddle with it and the coloring before doing my actual image. Making sure I like the color I have picked and shading and such as that. Doing this has really helped me out when I am unsure.
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The paper might be it... but I also use GP paper and memento ink (and adirondack ink) and don't have any problem... so... it might be that you used too much ink??? (soaked it A LOT... some is good... too much and it will bleed.)

Also...about the colors... I have found that the RV family is a very difficult one to work with in the beginning... for some reason the tones are different and they don't always blend well. I would try practicing with some greens or blues (those seem to blend better) and then move to the RV once you feel more comfortable with the blending... and like others have said... some of the colors that are "supposed to" work well together don't... it's mostly a trial and error thing.

Keep working with them... they do take lots of practice, but are so worth the effort!
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Ok...if I am repeating anyone...sorry...I skimmed quickly.

I did see a lot of others suggested PTI CS...I use this and have good results, and I also got some light ink bleeding on the (georgia pacific) Wal-Mart CS. I often use that to stamp an image and test Copic colors before coloring my main image, and I have noticed that the edges don't stay as crisp as they do on the PTI.

Now for blending and shading...I had good luck by practicing going back and shading with the same marker I colored with. It helped learn what the markers do and how they react without messing up an image. In fact I still find that I like the more subtle results that come with shading with the same color.

And as for certain color families...yeah some are way off. And some I just don't care for...and some I like better with other families. I always test on a scrap though....it might be the same image or just a bit of CS....and just a dot next to a dot will let you know if you are going to like it before you start coloring.
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I, too, have noticed that Memento ink smears when using the Colorless blender. I use Brilliance Graphite Black ink, heat set. No problems with smearing!

As far as colors go, just use what you think is best! The families and numbers help, but I always just go with what I like.
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I have not had any problems using the Stazon inks with my copics, and I use the Stampin Up whisper white or shimmery white paper without a problem.
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How to color with glossy CS (SU is considered Glossy):

http://ilikemarkers.blogspot.com/200...-blending.html

I hadn't read this before....I thought I saw something about the gloss being bad for Copics...it's just much harder to blend, but it actually does have good results if you know what you are doing.

This is also a great poll to see who likes what...I took the advice of the majority, though some have had better results with others.

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I use momento and Ginak 120lb white. I have to say that the Ginak paper is so awesome! No bleeding, no smearing!
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Thanks for the help. On one part of the image it could have been the blender that caused it because I used it alot to "erase" a mistake, but one the other part I didn't feel like I used that much ink.
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I use the GP white from WalMart because I do so much coloring that it is all I can afford . I use the Momento Tuxedo Black for all of my projects and have never had it bleed. Maybe it is the length of time between stamping and coloring. I usually stamp a bunch of images when I get a new set and color as I need or want them. I don't heat set or use embossing powder just color.

The color will bleed outside of the line if you blend too close to the line and push the color out but other than that (which is my fault) I don't have any problems at all.
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I've tried to emboss the image in black and color with my copics but the ink pulls the embossing and streaks my work; made a real mess! Tired it again and made sure the embossing powder was firmly set and it did the same thing.
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I've tried to emboss the image in black and color with my copics but the ink pulls the embossing and streaks my work; made a real mess! Tired it again and made sure the embossing powder was firmly set and it did the same thing.
The only type of embossing powder that will not bleed is the clear one. I had the same issue when using black emboss powder and read on one of the threads on this board about others also having this issue. When trying the clear powder, I had no problems (other than my standard ones, but that is another thread...!). Good luck!
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When using the blender to remove mistakes you have to loose a very little at a time and dry in between. I will dab with the blender then hit the image with my heat gun then repeat as neccesary. HTH!
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I do think I just got it too wet, and I actually used the blender like an eraser, which I now know that you can't do. On a happier note, I just ordered 23 more copics from carpediem. Yeah! Now I can try a little more blending!
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Is it humid where you live? I see you're in California...

I noticed bleeding and smearing this summer here in Wisconsin with the humidity when I used Georgia Pacific cardstock with my Copics. It would smear sometimes with Memento ink. No matter what I did, if the air was humid - which it always is during the summers - it would bleed a little if I added too much ink or worked with the blender pen.

Now, I only use GinaK's 80lb. pure luxury cardstock and don't seem to have any issues with bleeding. I almost always stamp in Versafine black ink and clear emboss when I'm coloring with copics. I love the extra shine the embossing adds and the embossed ridges help my brush tips stay in the lines.

One thing to remember with the blender pen, is that it will 'push' the ink in the direction that you move your brush. So watch out that you're not pushing the ink right outside your stamped lines. That tip alone has saved my sanity a lot with the blender pen, which is really misnamed, I think. I tell my gals at my Copic classes that it acts more like a bleach pen than a blender pen....

Good luck - just keep practicing and you'll figure it out! Copics are so awesome! Congrats on your great purchase!
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Forgot to say, whatever ink and paper you are using, you might also want to try a zap with a heat gun to see if that sets everything in terms of making the combo you are using happy....

If you do get bleeding outside your image, let it dry and then push it back towards the stamped line with your colorless blender. Great trick from Marianne's blog, esp when you use a lot of marker to blend and then.. oops.
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If you do get bleeding outside your image, let it dry and then push it back towards the stamped line with your colorless blender. Great trick from Marianne's blog, esp when you use a lot of marker to blend and then.. oops.
I wasn't letting it dry, but I am now using the heat gun on it when I use the colorless blender and that seems to help. I am really liking these markers. I colored about 4 images with it. Maybe tomorrow I will post one and ask for constructive criticism on my technique. I have so few markers, but more on the way. Oh, and no, our climate is not particularly humid. I live in california but in the valley, where in the summer it gets over 100 degrees. Of course, in the winter it is cold and wet, but I don't think my house is humid at all. I think it was just my technique. I received info papers from copicmarkers.com today and they mentioned Georgia Pacific as being one of the papers they recommend so I guess it will be alright.

Also, another question, because everyone has been so helpful (thank you all very much -- my colorless blender is a little dirty already and I assume it's because I have lots of images from wishrak and I've no idea what ink was used and so I've been trying them out and some of them definately bled. I assume this won't hurt my blender. I tried cleaning it, but it won't go away. It's just a small dark smudge!

Again, thanks to everyone for their help and keep the tips coming.
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Also, another question, because everyone has been so helpful (thank you all very much -- my colorless blender is a little dirty already and I assume it's because I have lots of images from wishrak and I've no idea what ink was used and so I've been trying them out and some of them definately bled. I assume this won't hurt my blender. I tried cleaning it, but it won't go away. It's just a small dark smudge!

Again, thanks to everyone for their help and keep the tips coming.
No... this shouldn't hurt your blender... you will find that the blender tip does get a bit discolored after using it awhile... and that is fine... as long as the blending solution still flows freely out and is clear...when my blender pen is really dirty, I like to scribble it a bit on a scrap piece first to make sure I don't transfer any color to my image. And... if it got REALLY dirty... you can always replace the tip.

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Also, another question, because everyone has been so helpful (thank you all very much -- my colorless blender is a little dirty already and I assume it's because I have lots of images from wishrak and I've no idea what ink was used and so I've been trying them out and some of them definately bled. I assume this won't hurt my blender. I tried cleaning it, but it won't go away. It's just a small dark smudge!
Mine is like this too, for the same reason yours is-- non ideal ink. Of course, when I first got my markers, I didn't have memento, and tried them with what I had. There is a post on Marianne's blog about this, it will not harm the marker. If it really bothers you, you could change out the nib. Interestingly, tip to tip blending will not stain the tips, as you are then mixing alcohol inks together. You touch a lighter marker to a darker one, color, and then swipe it on scrap paper. Very helpful, esp if you do not have a lot of colors! For me, it also makes the few dark markers I have more workable. Happy coloring!
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