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Old 06-05-2007, 07:24 PM   #1  
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Which do you think is best for coloring stamped images - Sketch or Ciao? There are actually three different types, correct?
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They have the same ink, it's just that the Ciaos are a smaller pen, more like a regular marker. The Sketch pens are squarish in shape. But both are refillable and come in all the available colors.
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Is the Ciaos tip similar to a SU! marker and I thought the sketch ones had a long brush tip?? Any help would be appreciated. I want to make a choice I'll be happy with Maybe if you have them which kind do you have and what do you like about them?
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Is the Ciaos tip similar to a SU! marker and I thought the sketch ones had a long brush tip?? Any help would be appreciated. I want to make a choice I'll be happy with Maybe if you have them which kind do you have and what do you like about them?
The Sketch and the Ciaos are the same except the shape. I like the feel of the Ciaos better in my hand. I have all the Ciaos and a few of the Sketchs.
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oh I get it now... the entire pen is a squarish shape!! LOL! I'm just having my coffee now
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What is the difference between these and the SU markers?
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What is the difference between these and the SU markers?
I only know what I've read... maybe someone who has them can help. I read on another Copic thread that there just might be a tutorial on SCS coming our way
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Copic Markers are alcohol based. Stampin' Up!'s are waterbased.

Stampin' Up! markers are great for coloring onto the stamps and then stamping (can't do that with Copics). They are also good for coloring small images. If you try and color a large background it is very hard not to get streaking with waterbased markers.

Copic markers do not streak. They blend wonderfully and the colors are very vibrant. They are the markers that professional illustrators use.

Since they are a different medium comparing the 2 is kinda like apples and oranges. Both great, but different.
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I bought a couple of Copic markers to experiment with before I drop the bundle on the Ciao's...love the way they color an area, but they seem to make my stamped image bleed in small areas--like the skinny arms on the Celebrate in Style dog walking headless lady. I'm stamping with black Stazon onto SU's Whisper White. The lady's arms turned skin tone with lots of gray from the Stazon. Is this a common thing? Should I be stamping with something else? Would SO appreciate some expert guidance here. Thanks!
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I use Adirondack ink. I took a class at my LSS from a woman who does tons of beautiful images with Copics (she does a lot of WhipperSnapper, the LSS owns the company) and she advised us to stay away from Staz-On for that reason. Another issue might be the paper itself. I usually don't have many problems with SU! cs so it might be the ink. Try the Adirondak if you can find it. I haven't had any problems with it.
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Should probably mention, I am not an expert!!
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I will definitely give Adirondak a try. Thank you so much!
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I use either Palette or Brilliance ink.
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Thank you Jeanne. Your creations are always beautiful. Are the Palette and Brilliance pads any certain type, or just the standard dye ink pad? (Sorry to ask so many questions...I just want so bad to have success with these markers.)
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Where do you get these markers, why would you want them as opposed to SU? Are they better than Prismacolor markers or are they totally different?
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I Just found the copic markers on Dick Blick, wow are they expensive. Why would you purchase them, are they that good?
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Yep. They are a step up from the Prismacolor markers.
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Pallette is a Hybrid ink (somewhere between dye and pigment). It dries instantly and doesn't bleed with the alcohol based markers (Copics). I use Noir Black Palette the most when coloring.
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Pallette is a Hybrid ink (somewhere between dye and pigment). It dries instantly and doesn't bleed with the alcohol based markers (Copics). I use Noir Black Palette the most when coloring.
Do you use the georgia pacific cardstock with the Palette ink when your color with your copic's?
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Thank you Jeanne, sounds like if you like to use or would like to use markers a lot, these would definitely be worth it. Do you know how long each one lasts, do they give you an estimate for shelf life? Did you buy a set or just the markers you wanted? If it were not for the shipping, you could buy one a week and have all you want before you know it. But with the shipping every time that could be very expensive way to do it.
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Where is the best place to buy them and does anyone have a match for SU colors?
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The sketch Copic markers are on sale at www.Carpediemstore.com. Here is email I received from them:

Sale ends on June 30

Re: Copic Coupon

The coupon code link on our website is down. If you want to order just
place the order and customer service are instructed to manually apply the
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reflect the 40 % off. Your credit card does not get charged until your order
is ready to ship. You will only be billed for what is shipped. Any
backorders less than $25.00 will be canceled.

Copic Sketch are $3.57 (list : $5.95) . 12 Set (SB-12) is discountd at 50%
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Sale ends on June 30

Re: Copic Coupon

The coupon code link on our website is down. If you want to order just
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Copic Sketch are $3.57 (list : $5.95) . 12 Set (SB-12) is discountd at 50%
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Wow! I just went and checked this out! Great prices . . . but, they don't have the Ciao's, just the original, sketch and wide ones. Tempting . . .
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Please look 4 posts above yours to the post that Jeanne S. posted, in her signature line you will see the link to where she posted a comparision of SU to copic markers.
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O.K. now that we have the Copic questions pretty well covered, who has a suggestion for the best white cardstock to use with them? I've heard Georgia Pacific referred to a few times. Is there a particular style/name/number -- and who sells it? Thanks!
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They have the same ink, it's just that the Ciaos are a smaller pen, more like a regular marker. The Sketch pens are squarish in shape. But both are refillable and come in all the available colors.
According to the FAQ page on the Copic website (http://copicmarker.com/home/cm1/faq_main.html), the Ciaos are available in 144 colors, while the Sketch are available in 310 (soon to be 322, as 12 new colors are being released).

I didn't take the time to compare all of the colors, but does anyone know why the Sketch come in so many more colors? Is it because Sketch has all of the grays?
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From what I read, the Ciaos were designed with children and/or beginning students in mind. I would imagine that the Sketches have more color variations that a more advanced artist would need. Maybe. Whatever. I think 144 for me is sufficient.
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From what I read, the Ciaos were designed with children and/or beginning students in mind. I would imagine that the Sketches have more color variations that a more advanced artist would need. Maybe. Whatever. I think 144 for me is sufficient.
144 is all I will need. The extra colors are pretty much just a shade darker or lighter than what comes with the Ciaos. Plus many more shades of gray.

I think they are leaning more toward students...... can you even imagine buying these markers for small children?

The Sketch and Original have the flat shape so they won't roll off a drafting table.
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Wow! I just went and checked this out! Great prices . . . but, they don't have the Ciao's, just the original, sketch and wide ones. Tempting . . .
I agree - it's tempting, until you click on the shipping! Holy smokes! Think I'll pass for now.

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I use GP CS almost exclusively and find it to be just about perfect for my needs. It's smooth, but has a little "tooth" for grabbing pencil color. I rarely ever stamp on colored CS and when I do, I almost never color the image, so WM and the Georgia Pacific CS by the ream are my friends!

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I have the full set of Copic Ciaos - LOVE them I prefer to use Bazzil Smoothies in Coconut Swirl (ie their name for white) and Palette Hybrid Noir for the stamped image.

I have a huge stack of the Georgia Pacific CS sitting here (FYI you get it at WalMart) so I should try that out too since Jeanne likes it so much!!
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But this link is not workin any more...please send the right link..if there is any..I'am also planing to buy one set..!!

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I didn't take the time to compare all of the colors, but does anyone know why the Sketch come in so many more colors? Is it because Sketch has all of the grays?
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Please tell me is there any link where I can see Ciaos...set of 144..??

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Please tell me is there any link where I can see Ciaos...set of 144..??

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My Favorite Things (mftstamps.com) carries 4 sets of 36 each COPIC markers in the Ciao style (total of 144). Just go to their website and click on Products, then on Color It In. I notice that their shipping is free on any order over $75, too.
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pretty expensive..arnt they..?? Any other site...which has more of discount..!!

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I purchased my markers individually. I use the Sketch style. I began "collecting" them about 3 years ago. I also took the class from the wonderfully talented Kathy. When I took the class, she was using Marvy Matchables ink. I've been using it ever since and don't have any bleeding problems with image outline. I haven't had to refill any of them yet.
When coloring with these, the color will go through to the other side of the paper, so plan on layering your image.
If you can find a place that sells them individually (besides the lss, an art store near my home sells them), I would lean towards getting them that way. Unless there is a big break in the price by puchasing a set. Begin with the lighter colors. You can layer the color on top of itself to get a darker shade. I use the darker colors mostly for shading. I scribble a bunch of different colors on my palette and pick up the color from it for shading.

*hint* Sometimes when you are using the marker too much ink will come out. You will notice that it looks very wet. I've ruined a few images by not seeing this and then the color spreads where I don't want it. It doesn't happen that often, but if it does, take the cap off the other end and the ink will get sucked back in to the marker.
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Old 06-08-2007, 08:07 AM   #39  
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Default Copic refills for polished stone

I tend to buy coloring mediums to experiment with different background techniques versus using them to color in images. So, I purchased 12 of the Copic refills wholesale ($3.50 each) from Gary Burlin. I also bought the blending solution--at $6 for eight ounces...compare that to about $5 for two ounces of the alcohol blending solution that Ranger sells for use with Adirondak alcohol inks.

Anyway, I haven't received my order yet but I am anxious to use the Copic refills for backgrounds, including polished stone. Since they are alcohol based I figure they will work the same way as the Adirondaks. Also--there's about 20 time more colors for the Copics. The Adirondaks are primarily earth toned--which I love--but the Copic refills come in ever color imaginable. The catalog information said that one Copic refill will work in all the markers, and will fill a marker at least three times.

Will let you know how they work!

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I just bought my first one and I am absolutely in love with it! Like everyone has been saying these markers blend really well and I think they are certainly worth the investment.
There are some art stores, like Delta in Edmonton, which sell them inidividually and do occassionally have really awesome discounts on them.
I think I am going to go out and buy my some new ink pads now!
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