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Do you think that nudity and/or provocative images/pictures should be allowed at SCS?
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Originally Posted by jbalcer
We have a tentative plan for implementing a flag in the gallery where we can swap thumbnails out to alert the casual browser that an image is potentially not safe for work. We'll let everyone know when it's done and if it changes. Thank you ALL for your input. We appreciate hearing from you, always!
I agree with Meg. I think that it's totally a matter of taste as to what's provocative and what's not. I know I find a lot of things are onery that other people do. It's all a matter of taste.
I saw a card like this the other day and it bothered me. It's the image that I don't think should be allowed. And downright crude sentiments aren't very nice either.
I'm with the "who's to decide what's provocative and what's not/slippery slope" camp, so unless it's illegal, it should be allowed to be posted.
I just get a little worried about blatent nudity because my 11 and 13 year old daughters love to stamp and they come to splitcoast to look at the gallery to get ideas. But, I supposed if there was an "Are you over 18" box to check, then, at least parents would know that there was a risk that their kids might see something like that. (I don't even know if there is a box like that, maybe there is.)
I know last week, someone posted that their 11 year old daughter needed a little love in the gallery and I went an commented on her card. I guess it's just the word "nudity: that sounds so pornographic to me. I can see some of the cute "Sexy" girls images in cute clothes and stuff like that but some body parts...well...I guess I would like to at least be warned if they are present to keep my kids away as long as I can.
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I would also like to add that I don't like to see cards that include off color sentiments. I know young people who use this site regularly.
That may be so, but this is not a site for children. As with any website or television show, parents should be involved and decide what is appropriate for their child.
I don't see what is shameful about the human body. I even have one, so I don't find it offensive.
I'd like the opportunity to decide for myself, not have others dictate what is appropriate for me to look at.
That may be so, but this is not a site for children. As with any website or television show, parents should be involved and decide what is appropriate for their child.
I don't see what is shameful about the human body. I even have one, so I don't find it offensive.
I'd like the opportunity to decide for myself, not have others dictate what is appropriate for me to look at.
That made me giggle.
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There is one company that is starting to put out some really crude sentiments to go with their "non-crude" stamp sets as accessories. I have seen a few cards made with these sentiments that make me go "eeeeew". I see stamping as a wholesome activity for young kids and I know my friend's 10 year old looks at the gallery here all the time. I would hate to see her see some of these cards, and yes, I just looked, and some using these sentiments ARE in the SCS galleries.
In fact it is this 10 year old girl who led me to SCS galleries several years ago. I only recently discovered there were even forums to go with.
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That may be so, but this is not a site for children. As with any website or television show, parents should be involved and decide what is appropriate for their child.
I don't see what is shameful about the human body. I even have one, so I don't find it offensive.
I'd like the opportunity to decide for myself, not have others dictate what is appropriate for me to look at.
20 years ago mine wasn't offensive. ;)
__________________ Jeanne S - Inky Paws SCS Moderator
to me, nudity and provocative images are fine. Obviously, i wouldn't want them posted in the Kids' section somewhere... but nudity, if tastefully done, is everywhere- in library books, paintings, statues.
I like 'Michaelangelo-style' nudidty, not 'Pay-Per-View- style'....
-laura s
I was just directed to a card that really does look like a centerfold out of a Playboy magazine. The image isn't even a stamp, it's a photograph! YIKES! Well, that's too bad. There really are so many great images out there to stamp with.
I am quite surprised. I had no idea that these projects were here in the gallery.
Quite eye-opening.
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That may be so, but this is not a site for children. As with any website or television show, parents should be involved and decide what is appropriate for their child.
I don't see what is shameful about the human body. I even have one, so I don't find it offensive.
I'd like the opportunity to decide for myself, not have others dictate what is appropriate for me to look at.
A lot of kids stamp and scrap with their moms as a family activity and together time, so this site is most certainly for kids. Stamping and scraping is a clean hobby and frankly, trash doesn't need to permeate every single aspect of our lives on the TV, billboards, media, wherever. That is why most are numb to it because it's commonplace anymore. There are other websites where this nudity I'm sure is allowed but it shouldn't be here. As a paying Fan Club Member, I strongly feel it should be banned. Porn or not, it's just distasteful smut and I don't appreciate having it shoved in my face when I open up the gallery. There are absolutes in life whether one likes it or not. If somebody flashed you (collectively) on the street you'd have no problem making a police report but say that having it flash to you in a gallery here is no problem? You can't have it both ways.
I know that if nudity continues to be allowed here, a lot of viewership and Fan Club Members will be going elsewhere, myself included.
I voted NO, but that has to be tempered with a disclaimer that I am thinking nudity is full on nudity. A tastefully done suggestive image is a whole different ballgame.
It was mentioned by another poster that a company is making suggestive sentiments to go with non-suggestive images. I believe *wink* I know what she is talking about. I happen to design for such a company and I adore the twisted nature of the sayings. They are definitely not for everyone, but they are awesome in certain situations.
As for this not being a family site/ child friendly.... I have to disagree. If I had a teenager who stamped, I wouldn't have any reservations about them being on this site.... mainly because I monitor my teens' online activity. If my son (16 or 14) is on Facebook... I am right over their shoulder 80% of the time. I also have their passwords so I can check up on them AND I am also on Facebook and they are 'friends' with me, so I know exactly what is what.
Oh, and Jeanne... I am LMBO. I, too, had a body 20 some years ago. Now I have what is equivilant to two!
Seriously, I'm not sure what card you are objecting to. If you are questing one report it to the gallery mods. They may not have seen it to make a determination.
__________________ Jeanne S - Inky Paws SCS Moderator
I don't think I'd want this site to be policed. If it were pornographic I would assume the mods would remove it. My friend has a stamp that shows the backside of a woman, very tastefully done, and it makes a beautiful card. I wouldn't be giving it to a child, but I wouldn't mind my child seeing it in the gallery. I've only seen one card in the gallery that was a bit questionable, and that's not enough to get me in an uproar. Too much else to get upset about.
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I voted NO, but that has to be tempered with a disclaimer that I am thinking nudity is full on nudity. A tastefully done suggestive image is a whole different ballgame.
It was mentioned by another poster that a company is making suggestive sentiments to go with non-suggestive images. I believe *wink* I know what she is talking about. I happen to design for such a company and I adore the twisted nature of the sayings. They are definitely not for everyone, but they are awesome in certain situations.
As for this not being a family site/ child friendly.... I have to disagree. If I had a teenager who stamped, I wouldn't have any reservations about them being on this site.... mainly because I monitor my teens' online activity. If my son (16 or 14) is on Facebook... I am right over their shoulder 80% of the time. I also have their passwords so I can check up on them AND I am also on Facebook and they are 'friends' with me, so I know exactly what is what.
Oh, and Jeanne... I am LMBO. I, too, had a body 20 some years ago. Now I have what is equivilant to two!
Well, I know who you're talking about, ;) and the owner happens to be a good friend of mine. LOL! I think cute innuendo is playful, exposed body parts are something different. We have a stamp set called Dr. Feelgood. He's wearing heart print boxer shorts and there are some playful sayings in it such as "Wanna' play doctor?" I sent that card to my husband and now he's much more interested in card making. LOL!
We used to have a bra and panties set that had the saying, "Thanks for your support." Again, I think it's a cute play on words. I love the company you are referring to.
But I was a little surprised to see some of the photographic nude images on cards. Again, those are two completely different things- apples and oranges. BTW, your work rocks!!
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I did see two cards in the recent uploads. Both are obviously vintage images. One shows as much as the Venus de Milo and the other is a side view. If this is too offensive for you or your children, then maybe the internet isn't the best place to be. And to call it "distasteful smut" is incredibly insulting.
I, personally, do not want to have to censor what cards I can and cannot upload because perhaps somewhere a child that doesn't know what breasts are (or that they come in pairs, usually on the female bodies [they can also occur on larger males...although that is an image I wouldn't want to see in the gallery! ;)]) might see them.
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Originally Posted by Gina K. Designs
I think cute innuendo is playful, exposed body parts are something different.
Again, this is where the slippery slope comes in. Once we start censoring some items, it becomes that much easier to start censoring more and more.
Now I'm going to have to stop reading this discussion, because I've got a suggestive card I need to make for my husband's birthday!
Seriously, I'm not sure what card you are objecting to. If you are questing one report it to the gallery mods. They may not have seen it to make a determination.
I contacted a mod last night who responded very promptly and told me in essence there's a difference between nudity and porn. Nudity is allowed. Porn is not. I have to wonder if Beate still owned SCS if nudity would be allowed. Another member sent me a link to the gallery in question, and it's not the first gallery that I've seen with nudity, and it was just vulgar. This woman uploads about 4-5 pics a day of nude ladies with a flower slapped on them. Only one person, the same person, makes comments.
I don't want to see this thread take a turn for some really off-topic stuff, I'd like it to show the management that the members either want nudity or not on this website, and hopefully they'll change the policy on it and need to recognize the seriousness of losing paying Fan Club Members and participants in general.
This is the last comment that I'll be making on this thread or any other thread until this policy changes, I'm taking my leave and I'm sure that somebody will notify me of the end result.
I did see two cards in the recent uploads. Both are obviously vintage images. One shows as much as the Venus de Milo and the other is a side view. If this is too offensive for you or your children, then maybe the internet isn't the best place to be. And to call it "distasteful smut" is incredibly insulting.
I, personally, do not want to have to censor what cards I can and cannot upload because perhaps somewhere a child that doesn't know what breasts are (or that they come in pairs, usually on the female bodies [they can also occur on larger males...although that is an image I wouldn't want to see in the gallery! ;)]) might see them.
Again, this is where the slippery slope comes in. Once we start censoring some items, it becomes that much easier to start censoring more and more.
Now I'm going to have to stop reading this discussion, because I've got a suggestive card I need to make for my husband's birthday!
Meg,
I agree. it is a slippery slope.
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Well, I voted Yes, cuz I think the mods do a great job of deciding what can/cannot be uploaded. I'm not sure what card caused you to be so upset, but I am sorry that it bothered you.
I just don't want to have think about the cards I don't get to see, cuz we are censoring them too much.
That may be so, but this is not a site for children. As with any website or television show, parents should be involved and decide what is appropriate for their child.
I don't see what is shameful about the human body. I even have one, so I don't find it offensive.
I'd like the opportunity to decide for myself, not have others dictate what is appropriate for me to look at.
I contacted a mod last night who responded very promptly and told me in essence there's a difference between nudity and porn. Nudity is allowed. Porn is not. I have to wonder if Beate still owned SCS if nudity would be allowed.
Hey Cindy,
I know that you have been in contact with admin about this issue. I thought I would post our response to you here because it is SCS's administrative decision. And, to be fair, anyone reading deserves to know admin's stance on this issue.
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Originally Posted by jbalcer
Thanks for letting me know how you feel about the gallery. We do consider the views of all of our members, and really appreciate your input.
We've discussed the images, and believe there is a difference between nudity and pornography. We certainly will not allow any pornography in the gallery, and have decided that, while different from anything else in our gallery, the images are not pornographic.
Also, I thought I'd clarify: Beate (while very much a part of the SCS team! ) has never been an owner or partial owner of Splitcoaststampers. Daven, the site founder, is still very much involved in the day to day management and operation of this site.
first, it's tasteful nudes, then it will be no skulls-that's Satanic (tho there is a difference between Satanic and grunge/Bohemian skulls), then all Goth inspired, no witches, etc you get the idea. I have an atc I did with a vintage mermaid on a companies web-site gallery- so I guess I'm scum-sucking smut- to that I say thank you for your opinion. When you let someone-who?- decide what to allow in the gallery- there is tasteful nude and there is pet of the year-I know the difference. :mrgreen: So if we get a vote on what NOT to allow in the gallery-how about no more mice with creepy long toes or kids with no mouths?? LOL- I thought this site started as an un-official place for stampin up demonstrators?? So, no it wasn't designed for kids. Hide the NG mags, Bernie, the grandkids are coming!!! :rolleyes:
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I think the admins have taken a very responsible stance on this subject. This is a community site and, just like in the real world, there are people with all sorts of varying opinions. I personally am not going to get worked up over a 50's style pin-up stamp (I recently found a company that does these and I think they're really cute) any more than I am going to get worked up over a Michelangelo's David stamp. As long as there aren't users instigating each other with naughty photos or posing images that are blatantly pornographic am willing to let bygones be bygones.
first, it's tasteful nudes, then it will be no skulls-that's Satanic (tho there is a difference between Satanic and grunge/Bohemian skulls), then all Goth inspired, no witches, etc you get the idea. I have an atc I did with a vintage mermaid on a companies web-site gallery- so I guess I'm scum-sucking smut- to that I say thank you for your opinion. When you let someone-who?- decide what to allow in the gallery- there is tasteful nude and there is pet of the year-I know the difference. :mrgreen: So if we get a vote on what NOT to allow in the gallery-how about no more mice with creepy long toes or kids with no mouths?? LOL- I thought this site started as an un-official place for stampin up demonstrators?? So, no it wasn't designed for kids. Hide the NG mags, Bernie, the grandkids are coming!!! :rolleyes:
i agree, where will it end? i appreciate that a lot of stampers are conservative, christian, religious, whatever, and I especially appreciate that this site has remained "neutral" when it comes to forcing morals and ideals onto the general public.
I get offended by stamps with crosses and biblical sayings. I also get offended by threads that start with "need prayers for......" (I don't think praying should be a GENERAL STAMPING topic). So again we, as adults, need to censor what we do not want to see, and AT ALL TIMES monitor what your children are looking at on the internet.
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I thought we dealt with this before. I vote no. Absolutely no. If the site is going to involve nudity I will withdraw my membership and will expect a full refund.
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My vote is and will always be NO! NO! NO! I love this site and look forward to cruizin through the galleries, but was just outraged at what I recently saw. I do not feel like this is appropriate.
As for censoring, the Mods do that already. I have had to edit some of my posts in the past because I posted a link to a stamp company sale. OMGosh. The notice was remove it or we will have to remove the upload.
If you don't have a problem with a women's nude body showing not only breast but the pelvic region then I guess we can find some vintage photos of nude men and their genitals? There has to be a line somewhere. When I was a young child watching TV there was NEVER any cursing or sex scenes or at least not during family hours. Now anytime of day from commercials to talk shows. And we wonder why our teens are drinking, smoking, and having babies at the tender ages of 13.
If you don't want to monitored why would you monitor your children. Isn't their right to decide right from wrong according to what they have been taught.
i agree, where will it end? i appreciate that a lot of stampers are conservative, christian, religious, whatever, and I especially appreciate that this site has remained "neutral" when it comes to forcing morals and ideals onto the general public.
I get offended by stamps with crosses and biblical sayings. I also get offended by threads that start with "need prayers for......" (I don't think praying should be a GENERAL STAMPING topic). So again we, as adults, need to censor what we do not want to see, and AT ALL TIMES monitor what your children are looking at on the internet.
Well said, and exactly what I would have said, if I was as eloquent as you!
i agree, where will it end? i appreciate that a lot of stampers are conservative, christian, religious, whatever, and I especially appreciate that this site has remained "neutral" when it comes to forcing morals and ideals onto the general public.
I get offended by stamps with crosses and biblical sayings. I also get offended by threads that start with "need prayers for......" (I don't think praying should be a GENERAL STAMPING topic). So again we, as adults, need to censor what we do not want to see, and AT ALL TIMES monitor what your children are looking at on the internet.
Kudos to you! Nicely put.
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I'm having a hard time even voting because I believe that what is offensive to one may not be to another. My vote is with the moderators and I trust them to keep this a place where everyone can be creative, inspired and uplifted without having to click on non-responsible disclaimer before we can enter the site.
<stamps foot> How come I'm ALWAYS in the dark about this stuff??? I have no idea what y'all are talking about. Oh, wait....I'm not in the gallery often, lol. Still, could somebody pm me a link to one of these so I have an idea what's in question?
Nudity in Galleries
