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Old 03-24-2005, 04:51 PM   #1
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Default PIC THIEF ADVICE...

For all of you that remember I am the one who had my picture copied out of my gallery and used on Ebay. I am now fairly certain that I know who this person is. What would you do?

I told my DH about it and he thinks she should be banned from this site. He belongs to a salt water reef/fish web site and says people get banned from there for doing similar things.

She has not made any attempt to contact me, apologize or explain herself. She is on this site and is signing up for swaps and may still be on Ebay. Should I confront her?

I would really love to hear your feeling and opinions.

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I think you should first go through a moderator here first.
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I agree with Jenn, talk about it with a moderator and see what their advice is.
I'm really sorry this happened.

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Geeze Louise! I can't believe anyone would even think of copying like that and now I see that she actually posted YOUR photo to her ebay listing without even showing any one her own work!

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I told my DH about it and he thinks she should be banned from this site.
Is it a violation of this site? Just asking... I don't codone or approve of it in any way. Just wondering if there were rules in place when she did this. (other than her (non) concience).
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She knew that what she was doing was *wrong*! It is one thing to CASE someone else's work to learn a new technique, because you like the layout/card so much you want it for your *own* collection, or to have "on hand" to show your customers instead of having to refer them to a website. It is *COMPLETELY* different to copy a photograph, paste that photograph on another site and present it as though it were her own work, and attempt to *sell* that work *for profit* through that misrepresentation.

I agree with everyone else that you should go through the moderators. But I think that you should make a *very* strong case: if you can prove that it is her, she should not be welcomed back. *PERIOD*. And if she is a demo, SU! should be advised *IMMEDIATELY* if she violated policy.

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I say take 'er out back and flog 'er one.

Seriously, you might PM Britta and/or Jenn and/or Keri and give 'em the low-down on this g-thievin' thug so they can deal wit 'er appropriately.
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Not only is it heinous that she potentially stole *your* work without giving proper "props," but she is selling a gift certificate redeemable only through her and she signs the post that she is a SU demo. Um, hello?!?! That is clearly in violation of SU policy, as well as the at least moral policy of downright stealing someone else's work. If she were in college and completely plagerized a paper, she would be given zero credit or even suspended. What's the difference? It really burns me up that she blatantly posted her demonstratorship on there..."if you have a flush of joy from seeing the Spring mini, call me immediately - I have the cure!" OMG, she's unbelieveable!
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I think you should take it to the moderators & let them sort it all out. You have all the info you need & can definitely show it was your picture & that the ebayer definitely advertised as a demo (although I don't think anyone here can do anything about that....that is up to SU).

I think if you are going to use this site, there has to be some kind of trust involved. It would be pretty bad if all of a sudden we found pics of one of our items listed on ebay by someone else

There, now you have another 2cents worth..

Hope this is over soon. I hate to see one person (not you, the thief) cause so much strife.....we need to be stamping & scrapping instead of stealing & cheating.
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Oh, and I didn't appreciate the religious reference in gest ...(even though I'm not overly religious. To me, its a personal thing that should not be taken in vain) But to joke on her auction that she is there to "serve the Lord," and then have the audacity to do what she is doing...whew! That takes a lot of hootspa!
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Wow...she's pretty ballsy ! She even included her name, city, email address, and so many other things that make it easy to figure out who she is.

I'm so sorry that this has happened to you, Amy!
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Oh, and I didn't appreciate the religious reference in gest ...(even though I'm not overly religious. To me, its a personal thing that should not be taken in vain) But to joke on her auction that she is there to "serve the Lord," and then have the audacity to do what she is doing...whew! That takes a lot of hootspa!
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I noticed that too & I just think maybe she did make an honest mistake & maybe she didn't think anyone else would see the auction & maybe, maybe, maybe....
I would like to think I live out what I have written on my signature....trying to every day. So maybe that's why I am trying to give "her" the benefit of the doubt......
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Oh, and I didn't appreciate the religious reference in gest ...(even though I'm not overly religious. To me, its a personal thing that should not be taken in vain) But to joke on her auction that she is there to "serve the Lord," and then have the audacity to do what she is doing...whew! That takes a lot of hootspa!
I agree.

BTW, the spelling is chutzpah. But it's pronounced pretty close to the way you wrote it. Either way, it means she has a lot of nerve!!


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Oh, and I didn't appreciate the religious reference in gest ...(even though I'm not overly religious. To me, its a personal thing that should not be taken in vain) But to joke on her auction that she is there to "serve the Lord," and then have the audacity to do what she is doing...whew! That takes a lot of hootspa!
I agree.

BTW, the spelling is chutzpah. But it's pronounced pretty close to the way you wrote it. Either way, it means she has a lot of nerve!!


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Hmm. I wonder where defrocked demos go. . . are they the trolls that live under the bridge?
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wow...this is just crazy....some people have a lot of nerve, and to think, she put shame on the name stephanie....im a stephanie, and that's down right rude!!
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I say take 'er out back and flog 'er one.

Seriously, you might PM Britta and/or Jenn and/or Keri and give 'em the low-down on this g-thievin' thug so they can deal wit 'er appropriately.
Not meaning to hi-jack, but I had to say . . .

Kimberly, you are so funny--you sound like a pirate! I like it muchly!

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Seeing as she put her name, email, etc in the ebay ad for this product I would first of all email her and ask her point blank what she was thinking. I would attach a read-receipt to that email (you can opt for your email messages to have a "thing" attached to them that notifies you when someone reads an email you have sent them) so that you know she has seen it. If she fails to respond or does not respond satisfactorily - private apology to you, public apology to the rest of the world, proper credit given on Ebay site...the works - then go the next step and put it through the moderators. As angry as this would make me, it would also make me angry to not be dealt with directly first (given the chance to voice my side of the story).

I agree that if the person INTENTIONALLY did something they know is wrong, we/you have ever reason to feel angry. BUT if the person just did it without thinking, something we all have done in one situation or another, then we/you should be giving her a chance to redeem herself. She could be one of those people who doesn't actually read contracts before signing them (I used to be like that - who could be bothered to read all the fine print anyway! - but I changed when I ran into a problem quite by accident!) and didn't know you can't sell on Ebay. You never know until you talk to them FIRST.

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I say take 'er out back and flog 'er one.

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Cannot stop laughing!

Sadly, I have heard this as actual advice from older gentlemen many times down in here in Texas!!!
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Not to be Snarky as you guys say... but it is very close to my purse design.

I know I sent it out to a million ladies here... but I believe in giving credit...

This is NOT a comment for you Stampin' Ink... you did say it was cased from SCS.......

I hope she get's what is coming!
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Isn't a hootspa a country hick bubble bath?????

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Yeah, there's no question about the deliberate nature of her theft, she actually copied YOUR picture and posted it on eBay.

I guess she really liked the idea.

Did you report her to SU! - for demo violation?

Banning her from the site might be difficult if she can just get other accounts.

Good luck and keep us posted.
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A couple of you who posted seem to think maybe the eBayer simply cased her purse and stuff -

But because our girl's picture had a weird background, we know that the eBayer TOOK HER PICTURE exactly off this site and used it.

Sure she'll make her own items but that was really UNCOOL.
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That was a big, double "NO-NO" that she did, selling a certificate on Ebay and using your pic! And apparently she knows it since she ended the auction early! She should be ashamed and obviously knows better and didn't think she would be busted, or she would have already commenced with apologies.

I would confront her in a heartbeat, ; and, if she doesn't resolve it or make amends, seek out "the powers that be."
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Take deep calming breaths, ladies!

I'm sorry somebody copied & pasted the picture into an auction and I agree that it shouldn't have been done. And of course we all know that demos aren't permitted to sell or solicit on ebay. But it's distressing to see such an outpouring of ill will and animosity! It does us no credit as a stamping community.

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OMG! ROTFLMBO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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spammie: TOO FUNNY!
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spammie wrote:
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oh my!! How do they do that? that is the funniest thing I have ever seen. Thanks spammie for the tee hee.

As for the ebay gal... what must be going on in her mind to do something like that? Makes me just want to keep doing right no matter what!!
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I think we all needed a laugh... thanks for that link - SO funny!

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Does anyone else wonder if the errant eBayer has read/is reading these posts?

You'll never know what actully happened until you discuss it with her, but I think you should go through a moderator. The moderator would prevent you from (unknowingly) doing something wrong & making the situation worse.

I thought I remembered reading in one of the other threads that you had contacted SU! I also thought that they "prosectued" heavily those in violation of the eBay policy. IMHO, she should have been "defrocked" for this. Ignorace of the rules is no excuse for breaking them.
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oh my!! How do they do that? that is the funniest thing I have ever seen. Thanks spammie for the tee hee.
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OMG that link was so funny!

I wonder if the poor boy knew what was comming!
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Ha ha ha!!!

I loved that boy as Mary Kate....or was it Ashley??


Back to the issue...Since she put out all of her info, I'd make a safe bet that she thought it was a great idea, and that she could make it and sell it to make some extra dough, probably has a couple of kids, etc... Can guarantee she never thought you had the "copyright" to it. You do have that, right? A-hem.

I don't always like e-bay because of the people that break the rules, but they do it in such a sneaky way. Not outright with all of your info like this girl did it.

The auction is against our demo contract, and she obviously copied your item that you posted here for all of us to share, yet she still put her info on the auction. She also ended the auction. Seems like ignorance not purposeful rule-breaking. Have you thought to contact her before you berated her publicly?

This is going to be controversial, but life is too short to always assume the negative. It could have been an ignorant mistake, and it's a good idea to give the benefit of the doubt....before the sentence of flogging.

Please read this in a kind voice (like we're talking over coffee & muffins), not a grumpy "I told you so" voice.
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Seems like ignorance not purposeful rule-breaking. Have you thought to contact her before you berated her publicly?

This is going to be controversial, but life is too short to always assume the negative. It could have been an ignorant mistake, and it's a good idea to give the benefit of the doubt....before the sentence of flogging.

Please read this in a kind voice (like we're talking over coffee & muffins), not a grumpy "I told you so" voice.

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That website is hilarious.

As to the ebayer can we doom her to do all of our mass producing? Just a thought.
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OMG! ROTFLMBO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OMG-Too Flippin' funny.

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Old 03-25-2005, 09:29 AM   #37
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Ok, now in some other thread someone was angered at a comment about having too much time on one's hands...I totally agree when it comes to card making...one can never have enough time, and bad toughts to whomever said it to her...


but on that note, whomever did that website DOES have too much time on their hands!

What a crack up!

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As for the picture theif...I'd contact a SCS "boss-woman". See what they say!
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Old 03-25-2005, 11:03 AM   #38
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Too much time on our hands!!!???? WHO WOULD SAY SUCH A ..

never mind.

Let's see, since we're all guessing what the eBayer had in mind, I'm betting she thought it was a great idea, figured Hey, you already have the picture, and "Gee nobody else will notice."

Duh Duh Duh

So, it was ignorant even if it wasn't malicious.
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Old 03-25-2005, 11:19 AM   #39
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Oh, and I didn't appreciate the religious reference in gest ...(even though I'm not overly religious. To me, its a personal thing that should not be taken in vain) But to joke on her auction that she is there to "serve the Lord," and then have the audacity to do what she is doing...whew! That takes a lot of hootspa!
I agree.

BTW, the spelling is chutzpah. But it's pronounced pretty close to the way you wrote it. Either way, it means she has a lot of nerve!!


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But "hootspa" looks so darn cute!!!
Actually, being a student of the Hebrew language of late, the spelling chutspah is more correct. The pronunciation starts with a throat clearing kind of sound, "ch"ootspah.

But....maybe that's a little too much information!
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Old 03-25-2005, 03:21 PM   #40
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Hi Everyone,

First of all I would like to thank all of you for your support (and humor ) over the last couple of weeks.

I did seek the advice of a moderator, while they are sorry that this happened there is nothing than can do. They suggested that I try to work it out with her myself. So, I feel somewhat deflated at this point. I had really hoped there was some kind of rules in place regarding this issue.

Thanks again,
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