Not sure if I like the wording here...

[princess4101]

on page 194 of the new catty...wehich BTW... I LOVE... the Blush Blossom marker description says
"the perfect choice to create a skin tone on your stamped images."
UHHHH... Not every skin tone is blush blossom colored. I think they need a set of skin toned markers. What are your thoughts on this?

[pantala40]

really? I think you're reaching. They said *a* skin tone, not *the only skin tone that there is*. I hardly think it's a big deal.

[11Valerie11]

I'm not sure they need a set of skin tone markers as there are a few other browns and pinks that can be used and blended to make other skin tones. But their statement is reaching, if you ask me, because for many it is not the perfect choice. Keeping that marker satisfies those who were upset they retired the ink pad.

[expressingme]

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Originally Posted by pantala40

really? I think you're reaching. They said *a* skin tone, not *the only skin tone that there is*. I hardly think it's a big deal.

I couldn't agree more...I'm not a SU consultant, but our catty uses terms like that and you hit it on the head with the word 'a'. My thoughts exactly...the description is only to help you get an idea of the use of the color.

[GardenB]

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Originally Posted by princess4101

on page 194 of the new catty...wehich BTW... I LOVE... the Blush Blossom marker description says
"the perfect choice to create a skin tone on your stamped images."
UHHHH... Not every skin tone is blush blossom colored.

Actually, this was my exact same thought when I read it.

[NwP]

Reminds me of when Crayola had a light pinkish color that they called "flesh". Some people's flesh? Sure. Everybody's? Not even close.

This would have raised my eyebrows, too.

[tigerlily55]

I think the statement is a little tone deaf. In this multi-racial society I would think a company would be a little more inclusive at least if they want multi-racial customers to think well of their company. Flesh colored bandages any one?

[twinwillowsfarm]

I dunno. Would anyone howl if Soft Suede said "a flesh tone" on it? Or is it just because it's a light flesh tone? Bottom line... it *is* a flesh tone, and that's all they said. My guess is they made a point of that after taking so much flack for discontinuing Blush Blossom, which was their only decent light flesh tone option before.

[tigerlily55]

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Originally Posted by twinwillowsfarm

I dunno. Would anyone howl if Soft Suede said "a flesh tone" on it? Or is it just because it's a light flesh tone? Bottom line... it *is* a flesh tone, and that's all they said. My guess is they made a point of that after taking so much flack for discontinuing Blush Blossom, which was their only decent light flesh tone option before.

I don't think anyone is howling. I'm sure they were pointing out a replacement for blush blossom. I would consider it a great advance in human understanding if they put "good for darker flesh tones under soft suede or close to cocoa or whatever. Why not point out those options for other colors? Just acknowledge that the Northern Europeans are not the only people who make up the colors of the American rainbow.

[pjw2855]

I think it's there way of just trying to give some description of the color. Don't make such a big deal of it! You don't need a whole paragraph of words to describe one color. A crayon is only so big, also.

Patti

[purlmom]

I had the same thought as the OP. It jumped out at me right away when I read it. This type of issue was really highlighted for me during my training as an early childhood educator. I don't think it is the hugest deal on earth, but I don't think it is a "reach" either. It could have read "for paler skin tones" or "pink toned skin". I am glad they kept the color for the skin tone reason, and it makes sense to point it out. The way it was done was just not totally p.c. But I do live in California....

[Beedubya]

I get what you're saying but I'm fish belly white with freckles and there's no marker for that. I don't think it's something to get worked up about. Not that the OP *is* getting worked up but ykwim.

[sfwhite]

It is simply an insensitive way of listing the color. It is indeed a big deal to some of us.

[RIRed2]

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Originally Posted by princess4101

on page 194 of the new catty...wehich BTW... I LOVE... the Blush Blossom marker description says
"the perfect choice to create a skin tone on your stamped images."
UHHHH... Not every skin tone is blush blossom colored. I think they need a set of skin toned markers. What are your thoughts on this?

I totally agree, it is not the first time I have come across this.

[53queenbee]

If you are of an olive color complexion, or a brown complexion you have great words to describe yourself. My mother had gorgeous olive tones; I got both grandma's Irish and Swedish tones. What do you call me? Can you call me 'white'? I thought that term was offensive now. And, I am not 'white' as in the hue. I am not pink, nor blue, green or purple. What is the color of my skin?

[SkyNacho]

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Originally Posted by twinwillowsfarm

My guess is they made a point of that after taking so much flack for discontinuing Blush Blossom, which was their only decent light flesh tone option before.

I think this is exactly right. There were plenty of posts on here where people said OH NO! BLUSH BLOSSOM IS RETIRING! HOW WILL I MAKE SKIN TONES?? You can't really fault SU for directly answering that question in the product description. (Well, you can, but then don't ever say that SU doesn't hear its customers because I think this description is a direct response to customer concerns.)

I don't recall anyone saying OH NO! BLUSH BLOSSOM IS RETIRING! HOW WILL I COLOR MY FLOWERS?

[GardenB]

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Originally Posted by purlmom

It could have read "for paler skin tones" or "pink toned skin".

This would be a great way to word it. Maybe in next year's catalogue...

barb

[Jan in ID]

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Originally Posted by pantala40

really? I think you're reaching. They said *a* skin tone, not *the only skin tone that there is*. I hardly think it's a big deal.

I agree with you. It seems we take exception to the smallest things these days. JMO

[MSBetsyZ]

To the OP, you are right in that it could have been phrased more sensitively. While I agree that the wording is actually a response to the clamor about retiring Blush Blossom because it was a good color for skin tone, it would have been nice if more thought had gone into it. For what it's worth, my first thought upon reading that was the same as yours.

I for one always cringe when I see a question posted along the lines of, "what color do you use for skin tone?" I always want to come back with, "what COLOR skin? There are many shades, ya know..." It does seem that the assumption is always Caucasian is what was meant.

[Gymnasticsmom]

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Originally Posted by MSBetsyZ

I for one always cringe when I see a question posted along the lines of, "what color do you use for skin tone?" I always want to come back with, "what COLOR skin? There are many shades, ya know..." It does seem that the assumption is always Caucasian is what was meant.

I always take that to mean as a starting point. If you use the lightest suitable color it is easier to add darker colors to get just the right one.

[Allistamps123]

Oh, it's VERY much incorrect...it implies everyone has a blush skin tone!

[jeaniebean55]

Going to seriously date myself here, but I remember when all the people in kids' books were lily white. And some folk started making a fuss about it. How it didn't really represent all kids. How minority kids couldn't relate. A lot of other folk thought that was silly, just a big fuss over nothing. Looking back, what a one-dimensional world! Personally, I'm thinking the fussing, then and now, is worth it.

[geogymnast82]

I have to say that for the most part, I basically look the other way when people/groups/politicians, etc. use language like SU did because there are soooo many people who "just don't get it". I'm not totally "politically correct" all the time but when I first read SU's wording about the marker, I thought "Gee, what were they thinking?!" when they wrote that. So, to the OP, you weren't overreaching or being too sensitive when you read it. Lots of us thought the very same thing. They could have worded it a little better than they did if they had really thought about what they wrote.

[cindy501]

Perception is 99.9% of communication. The OP called what she read the way she perceived it and I respect that. However, I think if you perused the gallery and look at all the cards with people on them, what color is the majority of them colored? Is it just pinkish white "flesh" toned stampers who make cards with people on them? Maybe the pervasiveness of pinkish-white flesh tones in the gallery inadvertently suggests a non-color such that we have begun seeing ourselves without color and the color is a generic color representing people of all colors. We should not all get caught up on lables. Just saying.

[scrapamiga]

My first reaction was a raised brow, but the wording *a* skin tone to me also indicated it wasn't "all-inclusive". What gets me is trying to find the right shade of stockings or undergarments that are desribed as "nude". I always think, That's not what MY body looks like nude!! I had to chuckle at Tigerlily55's comment above re "flesh-colored bandages" -- years ago Band-Aid sold boxes of bandages in different skin tones -- light, medium and dark (don't know if they still sell them). They were perfect for my skin tone! Another time my sister purchased from somewhere brown baby powder!!

[not2shabbydesigns]

I guess I'll never be represented. I've checked SU, Copics, Crayola, Prisma, and about ten other companies. If anyone ever finds a company that represents my group, "fake tan", please let me know. Thank you and have a beautiful day no matter what color you are.

[jeaniebean55]

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Originally Posted by not2shabbydesigns

I guess I'll never be represented. I've checked SU, Copics, Crayola, Prisma, and about ten other companies. If anyone ever finds a company that represents my group, "fake tan", please let me know. Thank you and have a beautiful day no matter what color you are.

LOL! Are we talkin one with more of a golden cast or on the orangey side, shimmer or non?

I'm sure if you run it past the folk in one of the Copic threads, they'll find you a color blend in no time ... and then you'll even be able to do shading and shadowing! LOL!

[Beedubya]

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Originally Posted by not2shabbydesigns

I guess I'll never be represented. I've checked SU, Copics, Crayola, Prisma, and about ten other companies. If anyone ever finds a company that represents my group, "fake tan", please let me know. Thank you and have a beautiful day no matter what color you are.

*snort* They do! It's called Tangerine Tango!

[smallcity]

Leave it to someone to get something started the minute the new catalog hits the street.
I don't have time to read every little word that is in the book, oh well just my 2 cents.
smallcity

[weims]

Perhaps they should re-name many of their colors or even introduce some new ones. Of course, I'd have to combine them as my coloration varys depending on what part of me has seen sun.

What would work for my skin tones...
Glow in the dark - for the parts of my that never see sun, and are thus capable of providing light in the dead of night.
Pale & pasty - for those of us who are pigment challenged
Lobster red - for those of us PC folks whose sunscreen failed them
Orange julius - the ever popular cheap tan in a bottle color

[kphorse]

I think they should name a marker...*Pale skinned - red head with a dark summer tan already and has freckles* How does that sound? Cute!

[princess4101]

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Originally Posted by smallcity

Leave it to someone to get something started the minute the new catalog hits the street.
I don't have time to read every little word that is in the book, oh well just my 2 cents.
smallcity

Please don't get me wrong... I am not trying to "get something started" I was just wondering what others thoughts were...

[not2shabbydesigns]

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Originally Posted by jeaniebean55

LOL! Are we talkin one with more of a golden cast or on the orangey side, shimmer or non?

I'm sure if you run it past the folk in one of the Copic threads, they'll find you a color blend in no time ... and then you'll even be able to do shading and shadowing! LOL!

LOL............you're so right! those copic experts will give me the perfect recipe for: Medium Bronze Shimmer.

[jrzigirl]

I love this poem by Shel Silverstein - I think it's so true that you can't pigeon-hole skin colors - maybe they need some sensitivity training at SU

COLORS

My skin is kind of sort of brownish
Pinkish yellowish white.
My eyes are grayish blueish green,
But I'm told they look orange in the night.
My hair is reddish blondish brown,
But it's silver when it's wet.
And all the colors I am inside
Have not been invented yet.

-Shel Silverstein

[leelulumpkin]

There are people in the world dying, starving, being killed in wars. I prefer to worry about things that really matter. Do we really have nothing else to pick fault with?

[Beedubya]

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Originally Posted by kphorse

I think they should name a marker...*Pale skinned - red head with a dark summer tan already and has freckles* How does that sound? Cute!

Well I'd buy that! LOL!

[Inkalicious]

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Originally Posted by Beedubya

*snort* They do! It's called Tangerine Tango!

SNORT!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TexasGrammy]

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Originally Posted by 11Valerie11

I'm not sure they need a set of skin tone markers as there are a few other browns and pinks that can be used and blended to make other skin tones. But their statement is reaching, if you ask me, because for many it is not the perfect choice. Keeping that marker satisfies those who were upset they retired the ink pad.

I completely agree with Valerie.

[blueroxie]

Wow, I think maybe NOTHING should be labeled as skin tone because someone would be offended. Since there is NO WAY they could have markers in everyones "skin tone" they shouldn't even try. Sad that people are offended by the suggestion of a certain color for a skin tone. Someone else may be offended if they suggested, say, kraft, suede, chocolate chip, vanilla, whisper white.....etc. Maybe the solution to this is to suggest any color could be used as skin color---why not. cherry cobbler, pacific point.........

[binx]

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Originally Posted by leelulumpkin

There are people in the world dying, starving, being killed in wars. I prefer to worry about things that really matter. Do we really have nothing else to pick fault with?

Thank you!!!