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Old 03-05-2011, 06:34 AM   #1
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I love card making and I have lots of stuff and ideas to do - however I am having trouble with the glue all works fine but the next day the card is falling apart. I have tried glue runners from Michaels, dollarstore, martha stewart, and liquid glue; tacky glue; and glue gun with no success. I am using 80lb paper.

Could anyone explain to me what I am doing wrong? Is there a much better glue runner out there, and are the glue runners good?

Thank you everyone for your help!
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I love the 3M ATG. It is a little pricey to get the applicator gun but the adhesive is much less expensive than buying some of the glue runners and nothing ever falls apart. For liquid glue my favorite is the Tombow Mono Multi in the white and green bottle. The Mono Multi is very strong also. "A little dab will do you".
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I don't think you're doing anything wrong. I had the same problem but then I switched to an ATG gun with 3M ATG gold tape and haven't had a problem since.
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Which Martha Stewart adhesive are you using? I've never had any problems with her rippable tape - that stuff *really* sticks for me!

I second the suggestion of Mono Multi for a liquid glue. Once that stuff dries, it's stuck.
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mono multi for liquid glue works for me....then I use double sided tape for the rest... or glue dots
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I use ScorTape for what really needs to stick. It is great. I don't like glue runners, never have. I also use a cheaper double sided tape that works fine for cards but the ScorTape is super adhesive. I think most LSS's carry it.
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Mono multi
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then for a few techniques I keep a glue stick handy
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Tacky glue all the way for me - I expect stuff to stay stuck forever with that! I hope you get your problem sorted, though - nothing more frustrating than stuff not staying fixed.
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Don't waste your money on dollar store brand glue. It is not very sticky, the glue seems to vanish once it is dry. I had to use it during one of my trips away (did not want to wait to go shopping in a bigger town used what was close) and I also used some dimentional squares in a class. In a few days the glue on the squares dried out and was no longer sticky, even the used foam squares.
It pays in the long run to buy name brand like ATG, score tape, 3m double sided tape.......
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My bust success has come from the ATG tape the Tape Depot sells. I also swear by Glue Dots.
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I love mono multi. That is usually my first choice! I use glue dots a lot, too.
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Do you live where it is humid? I think that has an effect.

I want to cast another vote for mono multi. I use it more than anything. Though I do use glue dots, dimensionals, and Scotch brand double stick tape. Oh yeah and at Michael's and Hobby Lobby I use a fine point glue pen for glitter and other teeny tiny things. It looks just like an ink pen.
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned Red Sticky Strip. I agree with Tombow Mono Multi in the white and green bottle. I also like the ATG 3M, but if I absolutely, positively want something to stay together I go with Red Sticky Strip. SU sells it and a lot of craft stores sell it too.
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The other name for Red Sticky Strip is Terrifically Tacky Tape. I've read that some people think that Scor-Tape is just as good as Red tape but easier to use. I think Scor-Tape is easier to use, but in MHO the Red tape has a much better hold. I've had things fall apart when using Scor-Tape but never with Terrifically Tacky Tape.
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I love SU red sticky tape and also use Sook Wang tape. Be warned though once your paper is down its down for good!
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I love glue sticks! I like that I have time to reposition it if I don't get it straight the first time.

I also like the Mono Multi, but you have to work fast.
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I had a lot of trouble with adhesives too, until I switched to the 3M ATG & the gold tape. For embellies, I like glue dots or a hot glue gun. For favor boxes, the Terrifically Tacky tape (red liner tape) is the best.
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Many hobby stores now carry the pink 3M ATG. Maybe you have a friend that you can ask to try the ATG. I know when I first used it at a class, I said I would never get one -NEVER SAY NEVER. I love mine - 3M 714 (red) altered with spray paint to a Celery Green (Krylon paint for plastic) and vinyl stickers. If you have a local stores that carries it (the pink one) and also honors coupons, I would suggest you buy it. I also use The Tape Depot refills and have no complaint. Since I bought the rolls in bulk with someone else, the cost per 33 yd (not feet or inches) tape was around $1.37.

I live in an area that is dry so have no problem with humidity but I know that could also be a cause for the glue/adhesive not sticking. (I 'won' some bargain adhesive/foam squares that also dried out so I would suggest you not 'save $$' going that route.)

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I love the mono multi for liquid glue, and I use Ad Tech permanent tape runners. You can find these at Hobby Lobby. You get two refills for $2.99, and I always stock up when they are 50% off. I believe Wal Mart sells them, too. When I do 3D projects, I use Martha Stewarts version of scor tape. Holds anything and everything!
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I love card making and I have lots of stuff and ideas to do - however I am having trouble with the glue all works fine but the next day the card is falling apart. I have tried glue runners from Michaels, dollarstore, martha stewart, and liquid glue; tacky glue; and glue gun with no success. I am using 80lb paper.

Could anyone explain to me what I am doing wrong? Is there a much better glue runner out there, and are the glue runners good?

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Four reasons an adhesive doesn't work; wrong one for the surfaces and/or job; too much applied; surfaces were not burnished after adjoined; adequate time was not allowed for the adhesive to set and cure.

I wrote a book on glues and adhesives (The Complete Guide to Glues & Adhesives), and when I was doing the research, every single manufacturer told me the same thing...tell crafters not to use too much and to burnish.

Ross White Glue is super cheap, and it's an excellent PVA...as good as the PVA we all know and use...Borden's. Price doesn't always determine how well a glue will stick.

Check with your library to see if they have a copy of my book. It has all sorts of tips and info, plus projects.
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Wow Nancy looks like you know your stuff then! But what does "burnishing" mean in this context?
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Four reasons an adhesive doesn't work; wrong one for the surfaces and/or job; too much applied; surfaces were not burnished after adjoined; adequate time was not allowed for the adhesive to set and cure.

I wrote a book on glues and adhesives (The Complete Guide to Glues & Adhesives), and when I was doing the research, every single manufacturer told me the same thing...tell crafters not to use too much and to burnish.

Ross White Glue is super cheap, and it's an excellent PVA...as good as the PVA we all know and use...Borden's. Price doesn't always determine how well a glue will stick.

Check with your library to see if they have a copy of my book. It has all sorts of tips and info, plus projects.

Wow, great information! I would love to see a copy of your book; will check at the library....

Interesting that you mentioned Ross white glue. I used to use the Ross glue sticks until I couldn't find them any more. They were awesome...and inexpensive.

By burnishing, do you mean applying pressure...as in running the side of a bone folder over the surface?
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I have the same problem as the OP!
For the many of you that recommended the Mono Multi: Have you noticed that it causes wrinkling at all? Many of my printed papers are a lighter weight, and almost any liquid glue I use wrinkles them, no matter how lightly I attempt to apply it. Thanks!
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I used to have this problem and then went to the ATG. I haven't had an issue since.

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ATG is the way to go. If you have a Michael's in your area they carry the pink gun and you can use your 40% off coupon if it is NOT on sale. I think Joann.com also has it and same thing, you can use a coupon. My local Joann's doesn't carry it in the store but I believe they do have it on line if I'm not mistaken. I know for sure Michael's carries it.
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I have the same problem as the OP!
For the many of you that recommended the Mono Multi: Have you noticed that it causes wrinkling at all? Many of my printed papers are a lighter weight, and almost any liquid glue I use wrinkles them, no matter how lightly I attempt to apply it. Thanks!

I havn't had this happen; it's good stuff!
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I have the same problem as the OP!
For the many of you that recommended the Mono Multi: Have you noticed that it causes wrinkling at all? Many of my printed papers are a lighter weight, and almost any liquid glue I use wrinkles them, no matter how lightly I attempt to apply it. Thanks!
I haven't had a problem with wrinkling, even when I use it on fairly lightweignt paper (like copy paper). BUT, make sure you really have the Mono Multi in the white bottle with the green caps. I also have some Mono Aqua (I think) that has blue caps, and that type does cause the paper to wrinkle.
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Wow, great information! I would love to see a copy of your book; will check at the library....

Interesting that you mentioned Ross white glue. I used to use the Ross glue sticks until I couldn't find them any more. They were awesome...and inexpensive.

By burnishing, do you mean applying pressure...as in running the side of a bone folder over the surface?
Yep...both sides, if possible. If burnishing isn't appropriate, use weights until the glue cures.

Here's info about a freebie burnishing tool
PaperFriendly: EASY DOES IT: FREE BURNISHING TOOL

The edge of either a charge card or craft stick works. Clover Needlecraft (sewing notions) has an incredible burnishing tool, although it's used by quilters for flattening seam allowances...it's called a Finger Presser. If you don't have a bone folder, a point turner (another sewing notion) works just as well and is much cheaper.

I've been a quilter for a bizillion years, and my sewing tools and equipment get used on both sides of my work table.
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Rubbing both sides of the glued surfaces...use a bone folder, the edge of either a craft stick or charge card, or a bottle cap from soda or bottled water
(PaperFriendly: EASY DOES IT: FREE BURNISHING TOOL). Don't think it's possible to 'over-burnish.' It's amazing how that little step eliminates so many adhesive problems.
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For the many of you that recommended the Mono Multi: Have you noticed that it causes wrinkling at all? Many of my printed papers are a lighter weight, and almost any liquid glue I use wrinkles them, no matter how lightly I attempt to apply it. Thanks!
YES! Paste won't wrinkle paper...the water content is low. YES! must be applied in a thin, even coat (use a charge card to spread the glue over the surface), and burnishing is required. YES is a natural adhesive and is acid-free. YES does not stick well if applied in too thick a coat.
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I've always used Ad-tech glue runners, now W-Mart carries Elmer's glue runners. Ad-Tech seemed to change over time. For years once the paper was down there was no moving it. Then Ad-tech and now Elmer's seem way less permanent but they might take a year to fall apart!

I've also used SU glue runners and they seem about the same as above.

I love glue runners, so stick with them.
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I live in Florida which has very high humidity and adhesives are greatly affected by humidity. I never had a problem with stuff falling apart after I started using my ATG gun and adhesive. I use Glossy Accents and mod podge for paper piecing and for tiny pieces.

PS....the ATG may cost quite a bit initially but the adhesive is way cheaper and has 36 yards each roll. It lasts lots longer than the little glue runners.
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Thanks again for the burnishing advice. I don't have many sticking issues, but there was one time I put up 6 Christmas cards to look at, left them overnight and in the morning all the bits were in little piles on the floor!

That was the orange Elmer's runner. I'd love an ATG but I think my OH would go insane.
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I haven't had a problem with wrinkling, even when I use it on fairly lightweignt paper (like copy paper). BUT, make sure you really have the Mono Multi in the white bottle with the green caps. I also have some Mono Aqua (I think) that has blue caps, and that type does cause the paper to wrinkle.
YES!

I grabbed a bottle of that at my LSS and was kind of disappointed. But I'll survive LOL

With the mono multi I always go around the edge a bit in and then squiggle in the middle of the piece I'm adhering then when I put it down to stick I wiggle it to distribute the glue. I love it. And I love how quickly it dries to be repositionable for masking.
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ATG is the way to go. If you have a Michael's in your area they carry the pink gun and you can use your 40% off coupon if it is NOT on sale. I think Joann.com also has it and same thing, you can use a coupon. My local Joann's doesn't carry it in the store but I believe they do have it on line if I'm not mistaken. I know for sure Michael's carries it.
This is what I was going to say. I love my ATG and bought it full price, way before Michael's carried it!
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You're such a trend setter Sophie



So what you all are saying is that I need an ATG? Can I keep building my Copic collection first?
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