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Old 08-06-2008, 03:40 PM   #241
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Thanks Sarah! Is the mini that is coming out going to be a holiday one?
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Yes, it will be the holiday mini. If you're a demo by then you can pre-order beginning September 1!
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great! I love the holidays so I can't wait to see what is in that one. When does it come out?
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The pre-order period for demos is September 1-30. Then the regular ordering period is October 1-January 18. Demos should be getting their mailed copy in a couple of weeks (mailed August 15)
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Awesome. I am going to love the pre order option!
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Am I on the demo. side? How can all this chatter be about signing up? Did I miss something?
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I'm not a mod, but the Convention chatter threads are on the general side. HTH.
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No, this thread is in the convention section, which is open to all. I was confused at first too!
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That all makes sense now...my head is still swimming from convention...thanks for clearing this up.
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I've decided to sign up on Monday. For $99, what do I have to lose?
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I've decided to sign up on Monday. For $99, what do I have to lose?
Not a thing! Congratulations!

One thing I like about SU's policy is that if you decide to drop for any reason, you don't have to pay them any money or give the kit back. There are some direct sales companies where you actually have to do that.
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I've decided to sign up on Monday. For $99, what do I have to lose?
depending on when you are planning to place a big order.... you MIGHT want to wait about 10 days..... now if you know you will order big and soon, or if you are going to be doing this as a business and will have workshops coming in... forget what I say next...

but -- remember that you get an extra 10% off your first "worshop" order (any order at $150 or higher) in the first 45 days of your demoship .. and starting October 1st every $350 or higher order will earn a free set from the sampler catalog... would be cool to combine those two...

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depending on when you are planning to place a big order.... you MIGHT want to wait about 10 days..... now if you know you will order big and soon, or if you are going to be doing this as a business and will have workshops coming in... forget what I say next...

but -- remember that you get an extra 10% off your first "worshop" order (any order at $150 or higher) in the first 45 days of your demoship .. and starting October 1st every $350 or higher order will earn a free set from the sampler catalog... would be cool to combine those two...

just thinking...
The only problem with waiting until October to place a big order is that in the meantime we will have the mini catalog preview and all of the stamp sets in the mini will be 20% off for demonstrators during the preview period, whch wil end September 30. And the "Never Before Seen" promotion on 10 brand new stamp sets from the fall/winter IBC ends on September 30th as well. So waiting for one free stamp set in October could cost you a lot of discounts offered in the meantime.
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The only problem with waiting until October to place a big order is that in the meantime we will have the mini catalog preview and all of the stamp sets in the mini will be 20% off for demonstrators during the preview period, whch wil end September 30. And the "Never Before Seen" promotion on 10 brand new stamp sets from the fall/winter IBC ends on September 30th as well. So waiting for one free stamp set in October could cost you a lot of discounts offered in the meantime.
VERY true -- IF those other orders are over $150... which is VERY likely for many demos.... just pointing it out for those who will pay for the starter kit and then have to wait a bit to spend big again... for MOST demos, what you say makes more sense...
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I agree...IF you can wait it would be better for you to sign up closer to the end of August.

I'm not saying wait until October---but just a few more days---not only can you take advantage of the special the first of October (it would be within your 45 day ordering period & the first order would qualify for the 30% discount) but you will also get a package of holiday minis in your starter kit (no, they aren't that expensive, but when you are starting out---every little bit helps) AND you won't miss out on the demo pre-order discount in Sept. on holiday mini.

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.. and starting October 1st every $350 or higher order will earn a free set from the sampler catalog... would be cool to combine those two...
Thanks for the additional info. I don't plan on placing any $350 orders (I'm doing this as a hobby for myself), so it won't really benefit me to wait. I'll be all set to go on Monday!
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so do we get 30% off the 15% off sets too?? hmmmmm
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All new demos get 30% off their first workshop order totaling $150 or more before taxes & shipping--order must be placed within 45 days of their start date.

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Can we swap out the stamp set/CS/ink colors, or do we have to get what is listed?
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Yes, you can swap out the ink and CS for different colors, and the stamp sets for ones at the same price or lower.
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Super!! Thanks for the info! Fast & Fun Notes is cute...but I think I like Pun Fun more! I just can't resist that little whale.
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I am so happy for you -- I wanted to remind you that if you have a friend who is a demo (or a demo you admire) you can sign up under them and give them a boost in their business.

It is such a kind thing to do, and it doesn't cost you anything!

Hope you will consider helping someone who could use that downline! (Even if you are doing it only as a hobby demo!)

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I am so happy for you -- I wanted to remind you that if you have a friend who is a demo (or a demo you admire) you can sign up under them and give them a boost in their business.
I'll be signing up under my current demo. She's great. I'm glad to know that she'll get credit for me signing...I wasn't sure how that worked with the $99 kits.
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You'll have to meet it by December 31.
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I'm signing up Monday! Can't wait to be a demo for Su. I am meeting my Su demostrator Monday afternoon at her open house for the new catty. I am so Excited.
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when does the $99 special end? I forget...sighhhhhh...thanks!
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October 11th.
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I just saw this morning on the SU website that there is a $99 mini kit promotion. There are actually 3 options: 1) card making option 2) scrapbook option 3) decor elements option. The website said these mini kits were designed more for people who may already own some SU product so you only get a couple of the craft supplies while the kits include all the regular business supplies.

Hope this is what you were waiting for.
Is this on the main SU website or only on the demonstrator section? I was trying to find it so I could look at all the options but I haven't been able to locate it. Thanks.
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Here are the options - these are Canadian pricing though. We still pay 20% more despite the dollar being on par.

From August 11-October 11, you will have the option of becoming a Stampin' Up! demonstrator by purchasing one of three special mini Starter Kits* priced at $119.



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109515 Fun & Fast Notes stamp set $36.95
100730 Whisper White card stock (8-1/2" x 11") $8.95
105548 Bold Brights card stock assortment (8-1/2" x 11") $9.50
101179 Basic Black Classic Stampin' Pad $6.25
104332 SNAIL Adhesive $8.75

Scrapbook-Focused Starter Kit:

111570 Contempo Alphabet stamp set $48.95
113059 Simply Scrappin' Petal Party $23.95
105212 Pixie Pink Classic Stampin' Pad $6.25

Home Décor-Focused Starter Kit:
111656 Inspired by Nature stamp set $28.95
114088 Décor Elements Chocolate Classic Ff $4.75
114126 Décor Elements Medium Chocolate Long Stem Silhouettes $20.95
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So which kit is everyone thinking about getting? I keep going back and forth between the Stamping one and the Scrapping one....decisions decisions!
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October 11, yay!

I know I am signing back up...just trying to decide if I am gonna do it in Aug, Sept, or Oct...
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I'm so bummed. I was all set to sign up tomorrow and my company annouced they are laying off people and I'm one of the ones on the list. I won't know until the beginning of October if I made the cut.
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Oh, that stinks, I'm sorry.

Maybe you should sign up with the $99 special now anyway, then build up your customer base, and if you do end up getting laid off you'll have some money coming in! (I try to look for a silver lining!)
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karcher70 I am going with the stamping one for my kit. Can't wait!

Sorry to hear about the lay offs MaryP1197. I agree with GreenDragonLady about starting with the $99 kit and building business up. Think about it.
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I am very excited to sign up! Sept 1st is the day! Yipee! Thinking I am going to get the "full" kit but not 100% sure.
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