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Old 06-27-2006, 05:42 AM   #1  
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Default Since SU raised Watercolor Crayon Prices-------

I am not so sure I want to go that route. $90 (actually about $103 for me after tax and shipping) for a complete set is just too much for me. What other brands are just as good, where do you get them and what do you pay? I am not a matchy-matchy poopoo kind of person (Oprah's technical term LOL) and so I don't have to exactly have everthing match. By the time I am done mixing, highlighting, shading, and overlaying my colors are not pure anymore anyway. What do you think of Lyra?
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I've never seen watercolor crayons anywhere else. I have watercolor pencils from Hobby Lobby and I love them, but they aren't in the package anymore, so I can't tell you what brand they are.

I'm anxious to hear if there are watercolor crayons by another maker...


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I know others sell them because my sister has an old set of Lyra somewhere. She has never used them and is moving and cannot find the box they are in right now so we cannot test them out.
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I believe Lyra is the brand SU uses. I have some from HL and I like them.
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I bought the Lyra brand at JerrysArtarama.com on sale for $37.00 - it's the 48 crayon set. I think they work very well.
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I have not tried them but ... 'Staedtler' also makes watercolor crayons.
I got the Staedtler brand watercolor pencils (in the artist section) at a craft store and like them ... HTH
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I have the Lyra 48 aqua color and I LOVE them. I think if you get the smaller pack 24 and 12 there aren't enough colors to really use them.

I use them with a Blender pen all the time. I have seen them in a few stores (more art that craft) but I think the best deal would be to see if they are on-line and use a coupon. I found the 48 set for $36-48.
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I was also thinking that buying them at indivudual cost .that in the long run it would be more with tax and shipping each time you order.So i'm glad I bought them when I did.I'm not sure I will use the neutral colors.I'll have to wait to see.
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I haven't used the Lyra, but am looking into them as an option. The Angel Company sells the various sets of the Lyra Watercolor Crayons. They are in their new catalog.
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What is different about the new set that they are going to be so much more than the retiring? If there isn't much difference I may get the retiring set.
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Yes, I just found out that TAC has them at a much, much, much better price with better variety in the set. I think I will be going that route. Thanks for the help. Several people have e-mailed me to tell me that the Lyra are exactly the same as the SU ones and I will be exceedingly happy with them!
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What is different about the new set that they are going to be so much more than the retiring? If there isn't much difference I may get the retiring set.
here really is no difference except packaging. Right now, all colors are packaged together, in the new catalog, they are seperated by color family, and can be purchased piecemeal. There will also be a neutral set...

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Are these Lyra the same as the Lyra pencils? Or do they look more like a crayon?

I have some of the Lyra pencils our LSS that's now out of business used to sell them individually, I have a few & love them!
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I have both the SU! and Lyra pencils, and if they are not different dye lots of the same manufacturer, I would be very surprised. Same shape, texture - of course the colors are different!

Our local art supply store sells them individually for a dollar a crayon.

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I use (and love) the crayons by Caran D'Arche. I got them at
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I'd also try dickblick.com
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I use my prismacolors and Gamsol quite a bit, so I haven't purchased the watercolor crayons. I did look up Jerry's and found these..

http://www.jerrysartarama.com/art-su.../0069066000000

They look like they are the same thing that SU offers. But what about the colors? Do you really think they are worth it? I am just not sure if I will use them. I like to use my aquapainter and ink from the stamp pads....I just don't know if this would be something I would use. Goodness I am torn...
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I got my set of 48 Lyra crayons at Hobby Lobby (they are in a locked display case at my HL and easy to miss because they aren't with the rest of the watercolor crayons) and used a 40% off coupon. I paid only $17 for them!! You can't beat that! They are great and have a pretty good selection of colors and they are what TAC uses.

If you can't find them at your Hobby Lobby be sure to ask because they are hard to find (at least at mine).
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I have not tried them but ... 'Staedtler' also makes watercolor crayons.
I got the Staedtler brand watercolor pencils (in the artist section) at a craft store and like them ... HTH
I bought a set of 8 of these at a garage sale a few years ago. They only cost me $ .25. Since then I have gone to my local art store and bought individual colours to add to my set. The nice thing about these is you can blend colours (ex. yellow and red to make orange) so you don't need forty-eight colours. I would rather spend the $ on stamps if I had a choice. I now have about 16 colours and that's all I need.
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Do they work as well as watercolor pencils? What is the difference?
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Hobby Lobby in their Art section they are with the pencils and canvas's and things like that. I got a set of 24 for 28. They had larger sets. This week they have a 40% off one item coupon.

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I have not tried them but ... 'Staedtler' also makes watercolor crayons.
I got the Staedtler brand watercolor pencils (in the artist section) at a craft store and like them ... HTH
I had the Staedtler watercolor crayons before I purchased the SU! brand. They definitely are not the same quality as the SU, Lyra or Caran D'arche crayons. They were not as soft and smooth, so I did not get good results coloring directly on the stamp. They did not seem to contain as much pigment either.

I love my SU! crayons, but I guess I am a matchy-matchy poo poo person.
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I love the SU! Water Color Crayons too! They are "Wonderful"...LOL They are so much better than the colored pencils. But I am very surprised to hear that SU is raising the price so much...kinda shocking. I talked with one of my friends who is a SU demo too and we thought that they would raise the price a dollar or two...like they would sell them for $16.95 but not for $19.95.
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I got a pack of 10 Caran d'Ache water color crayons at Michaels on clearance for around $4. That was right after SU came out with theirs. I wanted to see if I'd like them (I usually use my watercolor brush with the ink pads or markers). The Caran d'Ache are a nice quality like SU's. I still use my pads with the brush more than I do the watercolor crayons, but they're nice to have for certain applications. I tend to use Whisper White for a lot of my stamping, and watercoloring with the inks works well without overwatering the paper. I got lousy results with the watercolor crayons unless I was using watercolor paper. Could have been operator error, but I'll be sticking to my inks mostly.
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I got a pack of 10 Caran d'Ache water color crayons at Michaels on clearance for around $4. That was right after SU came out with theirs. I wanted to see if I'd like them (I usually use my watercolor brush with the ink pads or markers). The Caran d'Ache are a nice quality like SU's. I still use my pads with the brush more than I do the watercolor crayons, but they're nice to have for certain applications. I tend to use Whisper White for a lot of my stamping, and watercoloring with the inks works well without overwatering the paper. I got lousy results with the watercolor crayons unless I was using watercolor paper. Could have been operator error, but I'll be sticking to my inks mostly.
The whisper white cardstock doesn't work well with the crayons, but the confetti or naturals works WONDERFULLY! I use them most, I do have the watercolor paper too, but I use the confetti most.
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So what is the cost of the new crayon sets?
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The whisper white cardstock doesn't work well with the crayons, but the confetti or naturals works WONDERFULLY! I use them most, I do have the watercolor paper too, but I use the confetti most.
Someone here on SCS had a tip for using watercolor crayons on regular white cs.....stamp image with permanent ink and then spray with Krylon Matte spray . The spray creates a light coating that allows the crayons to spread a bit rather than soak right in. I've tried it and it works like a charm!
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Someone here on SCS had a tip for using watercolor crayons on regular white cs.....stamp image with permanent ink and then spray with Krylon Matte spray . The spray creates a light coating that allows the crayons to spread a bit rather than soak right in. I've tried it and it works like a charm!
Very Cool!! I will have to give that a try. Thanks!!
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Sorry! I understand now. I wasn't quite getting it - one post said $90 for all four sets, another post says $19.95 per set. The math didn't come out right. LOL But then I remembered about the neutrals set and figured that that must be the reason for the difference. Sorry to bother!
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Someone here on SCS had a tip for using watercolor crayons on regular white cs.....stamp image with permanent ink and then spray with Krylon Matte spray . The spray creates a light coating that allows the crayons to spread a bit rather than soak right in. I've tried it and it works like a charm!
What a GREAT idea! Sounds cheaper than buying the watercolor paper.
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Enough people let SU and its demos know that they wanted the option of buying families of the crayons, rather than the set of 48 colors, that they decided to re-package how they are sold. Currently, the set is $59.99 US for a set of 48. In the new catalog each family of 12 cost 19.95, or a total of $80 to get the entire 48. Big jump! I guess having four separate tins made just costs more than having the one bigger tin. I think I'm glad I bought the whole set, lol.
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What is different about the new set that they are going to be so much more than the retiring? If there isn't much difference I may get the retiring set.
I just ordered the set that is retiring - only the packaging is changing... and they are cheaper. SO - I did that figuring that I would just explain to my customers that I bought them before they changed the packaging - I know they won't care....and I saved money!
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Some of the price increase may very well be the price of commodities.
Oil and by-products are obviously up and so is paper. Overall transportation increases are going to hit everything.

I shipped something bulky last week and UPS is still charging their posted rates plus a fuel surcharge.
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