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Old 02-15-2007, 11:42 PM   #1  
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so my friend sells ctmh and said that if you're an active stampin up demonstrator you can't sell ctmh. does anyone know why, and does stampin up have a policy like this regarding other stampin/scrappin companies? thanks in advance!
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Yes, most homes sales companies have similar policies. If you are a Stampin Up demo, you cannot be a demo for another stampin company. I assume it is to promote brand loyalty
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thanks. i mean, i understand it, but i think it's stupid. just because in my opinion, i would like to have the option for some variety. you know? especially since ctmh and stampin up seem so different to me. i don't know. what do you guys think?
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Both companies have non-compete clauses. Lots of companies do that. Say you are an on-air personality for a local TV station and left...usually they have a clause in the contract that you can't go to another local station, or, if you do, you can't be an on-air personality for that station for something like a year. It has to do with name/face/brand recognition.
While I understand that for a hobbyist, it makes no sense as one is purchasing the products to use for themselves. But, in the business perspective, if you were a consultant with both companies, it would send off a mixed message that you had divided loyalties between companies.

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okay, so if my husband was interested in selling ctmh would it affect him that i was a stampin up demonstrator? i mean, i do see the point, don't get me wrong. but the sad thing is that over here no one sells ctmh, and it just seems like they are missing out on huge sales!
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okay, so if my husband was interested in selling ctmh would it affect him that i was a stampin up demonstrator? i mean, i do see the point, don't get me wrong. but the sad thing is that over here no one sells ctmh, and it just seems like they are missing out on huge sales!
The non-compete clause covers your spouse as well, otherwise there would be a lot of demonstrators who would get around the clause by enrolling their spouse as a demo for another company:

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This is the clause in question, which is on the agreement that you sign when you become a demonstrator.
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i appreciate the info
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As much as you dislike, it's really a moot point bc you can't really do anything about. Sometimes life doesn't seem fair but that's the way it goes.
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I don't think it would legally hold up to exclude your spouse from making his own decisions. I just think that is going just a bit too far!
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so my friend sells ctmh and said that if you're an active stampin up demonstrator you can't sell ctmh. does anyone know why, and does stampin up have a policy like this regarding other stampin/scrappin companies? thanks in advance!
Since your friend already sells CTMH, if you become a SU demo, maybe you two can work out a deal and both benefit?
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I don't think it would legally hold up to exclude your spouse from making his own decisions. I just think that is going just a bit too far!
Simple answer: if it bothers you, don't become a demonstrator.

People who sign with the intent of violating the contract immediately because they don't agree with everything in it are probably only in it for what they can get out of it themselves and not with the intent of providing a service in return for which they will receive compensation. I wouldn't want to buy from such a person. In my experience, such people do not provide any service if they can help it. The demonstrators that do the best get into it because they love it and they like helping people learn to stamp.
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okay, i was just curious. i have no intention of signing up now that i know. i was just curious as to how it would work if a married couple was legitimatley interested in this. my husband has no interest in stamping or anything of that sort, so sorry if my question offended someone or made you think that i was thinking of doing something illegal... was honestly just curious.
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okay, i was just curious. i have no intention of signing up now that i know. i was just curious as to how it would work if a married couple was legitimatley interested in this. my husband has no interest in stamping or anything of that sort, so sorry if my question offended someone or made you think that i was thinking of doing something illegal... was honestly just curious.
That's okay...I'm not offended.
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Next they will tell you you cannot do it if your sister sells the other brand. That is just not right at all. People can put all kinds of things in contracts that won't hold up legally. Ask your lawyer what he thinks. Your husband should not have limits set on his life because of your hobby choices.
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Next they will tell you you cannot do it if your sister sells the other brand. That is just not right at all. People can put all kinds of things in contracts that won't hold up legally. Ask your lawyer what he thinks. Your husband should not have limits set on his life because of your hobby choices.
There is no clause in the IDA that has ever prohibited this and I don't know why there ever would be.
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Next they will tell you you cannot do it if your sister sells the other brand. That is just not right at all. People can put all kinds of things in contracts that won't hold up legally. Ask your lawyer what he thinks. Your husband should not have limits set on his life because of your hobby choices.

My mom sells for a different company then I do, what we can't do is hold workshops together -

The clause applies to family members living in the same house.
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I believe CTMH has a very similar policy if you ask your friend to look. I don't know of a home demonstrator/ cunsultant company that doesn't. You can represent a company like Mary Kay or PC at the same time as they are not direct competitors. The clause only applies to other papercraft companies.
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Next they will tell you you cannot do it if your sister sells the other brand. That is just not right at all. People can put all kinds of things in contracts that won't hold up legally. Ask your lawyer what he thinks. Your husband should not have limits set on his life because of your hobby choices.
This applies to married couples because it is very difficult to separate finances. If you are married (legally) you have entered into a contract and under most circumstances you are jointly responsible for any debt/income incurred from either of you. This does not apply to your sister, this does not apply to your mom, this does not apply to anyone but spouses.
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Probably a dumb one. If SU does not allow the demonstrator or their spouse to sell or promote any other products promoting stamping how does the SU owners who own another stamping product company sell or promote that companies items? Just curious.
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It is called " conflict of interest".

When I worked for a denim retailer (I was assistant manager) I could not get a second job working for another denim retailer. why? conflict of interest,
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Probably a dumb one. If SU does not allow the demonstrator or their spouse to sell or promote any other products promoting stamping how does the SU owners who own another stamping product company sell or promote that companies items? Just curious.
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Probably a dumb one. If SU does not allow the demonstrator or their spouse to sell or promote any other products promoting stamping how does the SU owners who own another stamping product company sell or promote that companies items? Just curious.
I do believe that if you are the owner, you are not a demonstrator, thus not under the same contract I am.

From what I can tell, Shelli Gardner and her husband are keeping the two companies entirely separate. Considering that SU! is a direct sales company and Colorbox is a standard company that manufactures and sells it's products wholesale to retailers, it's probably a good idea.
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The Angel Company Has the same policy.

Along time ago you could demo for Scrapbook companies,
And those Demo's are Grandfathered in.

But because are now selling Scrapbook supplies you CAN'T.

How TAC put's it now... You would be in competion with both companies.
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I also had a lady sign up under me awhile back. She told me that she was quiting SU to sell for TAC.

And then I got my New Angel Postcard that TAC sends out announcing that so and so Joined under me.

I looked at the name and it wasn't her's, So I didn't think anything about it.

Until she emailed me and told me what she had done.
She signed up under her dh name and was still an active Demo for Stampin up!

I told her that she couldn't do that..And that I would not have her under me.

I ask to choose one or another. Because you can not be a demo for both companies... It's states this when you join and sign on that dotted line.

She soon quit after that.


But you could join up one company and your friend could join the other. and you all could help each other out wtih your sales.

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Interesting twist on this. After I posted, someone emailed me to tell me that they (she and live in boyfriend of 31 years) signed up under 2 companies to sell stamps and she could do it simply because they were not married, even though they share a checking account and pool all money.
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Simple answer: if it bothers you, don't become a demonstrator. People who sign with the intent of violating the contract immediately because they don't agree with everything in it are probably only in it for what they can get out of it themselves and not with the intent of providing a service in return for which they will receive compensation. I wouldn't want to buy from such a person. In my experience, such people do not provide any service if they can help it. The demonstrators that do the best get into it because they love it and they like helping people learn to stamp.
Jan made an excellent point. As you meet demonstrators who find success in Stampin' Up!, it's easy to discover that they have a sincere passion for their SU business. They take their signature on their demonstrator agreement seriously, and support the guidelines given by Stampin' Up! If not, there simply is no point to signing up, whether the intention is to be a hobby demo or to truly have their own at-home business. For those of us who enjoy SU as our business, it truly is an investment of time, interest, and heart.
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well, i wish you could get a trial period where you could at least decide, you know? maybe they could sell like a mini starter kit to try to pursuade people to join one company over the other; just so that you could review the pros and cons. just a suggestion? especially since like i said, i don't know anyone in the vicinity that sells ctmh. there are tons and tons of stampin up demos here though; except most of them aren't active.
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SU does have a min-starter kit available now - I'm not sure how long it will be available. But it's $99 and targeted toward prospective demo's who already have a lot of product.

But if someone is interested in becoming a demo, they should reach out to a prospective upline and ask a LOT of questions... Of course these questions will vary if you plan to be a business or hobby demo - but they should be asked in any case.
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The time to investigate is not after you've signed.

Having said that and only speaking from an SU perspective, you don't sign your life away when you become a demonstrator. You have the option of purchasing the starter kit and then never doing anything with it. Your first quota is due at the end of your first full quarter (so if you joined in February, you would have until the end of the April-June quarter to meet the $300 quota, which would include any sales you made in late Feb or March). If you fail to meet that, then you go into "pending" status in July. If you don't come up with the shortfall from the previous quarter plus $100 "good faith effort" for the July-Sept quarter during the month of July, you'll simply be dropped from the demonstrator ranks. It's really just a parting of the ways. You don't need to give anything back, etc.

The regular starter kit is a GREAT value (especially for the remainder of Feb...but the paperwork needs to be at the SU office before the end of the month) and worth diving in just for that.
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I don't think it would legally hold up to exclude your spouse from making his own decisions. I just think that is going just a bit too far!
As an attorney I can say that while SU cannot prevent your spouse from signing with another competing company, because they (the spouse) did not sign the contract with SU, you, the demonstrator DID sign a legally binding contract and SU does have legal grounds to terminate your demonstratorship.
By anology, there are many corporations that prevent co-workers from dating and/or prevent co-workers from being married. My husband worked with a couple and when they got married one of them had to quit because their company did not permit married co-workers.
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Interesting twist on this. After I posted, someone emailed me to tell me that they (she and live in boyfriend of 31 years) signed up under 2 companies to sell stamps and she could do it simply because they were not married, even though they share a checking account and pool all money.
Well, that's interesting, but if one of this fun couple should decide that she can sell out of both catalogs at once, and she happens to be a demo for SU!, she is still in violation of the non-competition clause and can have her demonstratorship terminated.

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I wouldn't want to have to purchase from both companies in order to stay active in both companies.

That would be a lot of money going out. And with Commission only being 20% for SU and 25% for TAC
That still isn't enough money to think about selling for both companies at the same time.

Plus how would you keep everything straight?
Cause you know one day you're going to slip up and say the wrong thing to the wrong person. And then boom you're caught!

Find a friend who sells for SU, TAC or CTMH and do trades or see if they will give you a discount.

If you looking to see just what the company has to offer.
Purchase items from each company and then decide.

When I started with TAC 4 years ago. I purchase TAC stamps in a buyers club.
But I also had purchased SU stamps too.
And CTMH.

So I knew what I was getting into when I signed up for (TAC) The Angel Company.

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Sign up from one and buy from a demo from the other if you really like both companies. You can buy their products just not sell them or use them in any workshop tha you do.
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which company is TAC?
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Old 02-17-2007, 10:11 PM   #35  
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oops; nevermind. i see it right above my silly questions!
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which company is TAC?
TAC is The Angel Company
http://theangelcompany.net

We sell Unmounted Rubber Stamps that use a Acrylic Block instead of a wood block.
Our stamps come in the form of Full Sheet of Blue Rubber and a Full Sheet of Ez-mount Foam.
One side is sticky and the other side is clingy.


and most of us store our Stamps in a Old style CD case.

The Angel Company (TAC) has been around since 1997.
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