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Old 05-13-2007, 02:37 PM   #1  
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Question New Postal Rates & Your Cards

I've just been reading about the new postal rates. Not only is First Class going up, but the size and shape of the envelopes can put my cards in the "Non-Machinable" rates, like packages.
It's only $.17 extra -- but will you cut down on layers, embellishments, etc.?
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I have a card ministry at my church. I just made several b-day cards with no ribbons, fibers or brads. Yikes - how long will that last?
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Are the "standard card" sized envelopes considered an odd size? Or do they fall in the regular rate?

Otherwise, my cards aren't generally bulky, so it's no big deal to me. Maybe I'll start taking pictures of my cards and then sending them as e-cards
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I made 2 mothers day cards, they had several layers and a pop up flower. They were bulky but used a standard A2 envelope. Husband works for USP. He said they were to heavy and needed extra postage. He stuck another 37 cent stamp on them. I sure it was to much postage but he didn't care, just wanted to make sure they got there.
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I think a lot of this is going to be trial and error to take different weight/bulkiness items to the window and see what they say. They sure are making it difficult!
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in Canada they make us put 2 stamps on anything with dimensionals/brads/ribbons etc... its about $1.10 to send that "assures" it doesn't get put through the sorting machine which could damage them-- I'm pretty sure they still go through the sorting machine-its just a money grab!!

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Now this would ruin the fun of getting a card.

What if we folded our cards inside out for mailing? This could protect at least some of the embellisments. It wouldn't make a difference in the weight though.

You know, I wouldn't have a problem with postage increases if I didn't feel like the customer service decreased incrimentally with each rate increase. I can't even get the post man to ring my doorbell with a package anymore. He just drops a "Delivery Attempt" notice in my box and is on his merry way with my package. To be dropped off at the post office at some yet-to-be-determined date.

Ooohh...I sound bitter. Sorry.
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I know that I am very dissapointed that sqare envelopes cost an extra $.17 I made some yesterday and decided that if I was going to have to pay the extra .17 anyway I might as well use the eyelets and brads and get my money's worth. I am taking it to the post office today after work and I can't wait to see what they charge. I know it is now overweight as it only has 4 eyelets and is not thick as it is only 2 layers and I weighed it at home.
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Anyone have an official word about clear envelopes? I've heard they are now in the $.80 bracket, but I couldn't find anything definitive at the USPS website.
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I agree with bondgurl.... I know increases are part of life, but it seems that the customer service and the care they've been giving my postals and envies has GREATLY diminished. As I write now, I have one package that is taking 10 days to arrive, when the others, mailed on the same day, arrived five days after sending. I've had MANY things ripped open and contents damaged or lost. It seems in the last six months it's gotten so much worse, so it's kinda hard to stomach an increase when thigns just aren't what they even used to be!
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I was told by the PO last week that putting DO NOT BEND on our manilla envelopes (for swaps, etc) will reclassify it to parcel instead of envelope. If they can't cram it into my little mail cubby, then I'll have to pay more for it.

Maybe I'll start making digital cards and emailing those out...I'm sooo done with the PO!
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Are the "standard card" sized envelopes considered an odd size? Or do they fall in the regular rate?
I think the standard size is regular. I went to the post office website and looked at the new charts.
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Anyone have an official word about clear envelopes? I've heard they are now in the $.80 bracket, but I couldn't find anything definitive at the USPS website.
Unless they have changed, clear envelopes used to fall in the non-machinable category (along with any envelope more than 1/4" thick in any place) which means they would get the extra 17 cents. I used them for some of my Christmas cards last year and had to add the 13 cents to them... now I guess it's 17 cents? All I know is when I was in my little PO on Friday, the gal there begged me to NOT come in today. They are expecting a real mess.....
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I know that I am very dissapointed that sqare envelopes cost an extra $.17 I made some yesterday and decided that if I was going to have to pay the extra .17 anyway I might as well use the eyelets and brads and get my money's worth. I am taking it to the post office today after work and I can't wait to see what they charge. I know it is now overweight as it only has 4 eyelets and is not thick as it is only 2 layers and I weighed it at home.

Square envelopes have always cost more because they were not rectangular. Did you ever notice square Christmas cards come with rectangular envelopes? This is so you don't have to pay extra postage. If you want to make a square card, just put it in a rectangular envelope.

However, the new regulations mean you pay by the SIZE, not just the weight of envelopes, so larger letters can cost more. Also, if the envelope is within the weight limit, but is too thick (i.e. dimensionals, too much paper folded inside, etc.), it will cost more.

I haven't checked out the website, but I sure hope they have specifics for what will be acceptable for 41 cents.
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I think I'll continue to make cards with some layering. I never really overdo it unless I'm giving it to someone.

I just have to share my frustration with the USPS too.... this morning I went to buy 2 cent stamps for 39 cent stamps. The postal worker could not tell me how much it had gone up for Canada or UK. He also did not have those stamps yet to sell. ????
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I was told by the PO last week that putting DO NOT BEND on our manilla envelopes (for swaps, etc) will reclassify it to parcel instead of envelope. If they can't cram it into my little mail cubby, then I'll have to pay more for it.

Maybe I'll start making digital cards and emailing those out...I'm sooo done with the PO!
I rent the smallest/ least expensive box available and they just hold anything they can't fit or think they shouldn't bend ( smart folks) and I get a yellow notice in my box to go to the desk. :}
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I don't want to upset anyone, but I have had great luck with the postal service lately. I have mailed many letters and cards and have had them there the next day. The priority mail is awesome too! I sent my husband for stamps today so I will ask him.

As for the original question, I will probably just keep making the cards as I normally would and pay the extra. I do not mail that many anyway.
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I have always mailed in clear envelopes and never put any extra postage on. I did put two stamps on my moms mothersday card as it was kind of thick. Didnt want to take any chances. I guess we will see if we get cards back on the postage thing.
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How much is the Forever stamp?
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The Forever stamp is .41. I was going to buy some before the rate hike, but I though, I still have .39 and want to use those up first. I'm wondering if the forever stamp will really be "forever". If you were smart, you would buy a TON of them and then you'll never have to buy the new rate stamps?
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Really! Guess I'll be buying all Forever stamps since they are the same price!!! Almost doesn't make sense!
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Just wanted to add... my dh bought some of the "forever" stamps a week ago...they were already 41 then.
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Anyone have an official word about clear envelopes? I've heard they are now in the $.80 bracket, but I couldn't find anything definitive at the USPS website.
I did see something about clear envelopes requiring extra because they were clear. I saw it on the USPS site but to tell you the truth, I got lost in the index trying to find the new rates and frankly don't know where on the site I saw it.

The square envelopes were considered odd sized before so nothing is really different there.
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The new postal codes will not change my layering or embelishing habits.
I guess I'll just be making a few extra trips to the post office to make sure I have used the proper postage. Last Friday I was mailing 20 cards for my card club and they were thick and heavy (spinners). I asked the girl @ the PO to hand stamp them and she said they were fine and would go through the machine. That made me happy
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I did see something about clear envelopes requiring extra because they were clear. I saw it on the USPS site but to tell you the truth, I got lost in the index trying to find the new rates and frankly don't know where on the site I saw it.
The reason the clear envies cost more is that they often require hand processing because their reflectivity can screw up the scanners that sort the mail.
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I have been mailing my christmas cards in clear envelopes for at least 6 years and have never paid for extra postage. I did have one customer who used a large metal spiral on hers (not the SU ones) and her cards were returned for extra postage.
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I mailed 12 clear enveloped cards at the PO today and they did not say a word about extra postage.
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Interesting. I always heard clear were extra. Maybe that changed?

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Interesting. I always heard clear were extra. Maybe that changed?

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I have used exclusively clear envelopes for obvious reasons...lol many thousands over the last few years and have NEVER been asked to add more postage, NEVER had one returned, and NEVER had one arrive postage due. I truly dont see that changing but I could be wrong. I will keep doing what I am doing.
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I don't use a lot of clear envies but have only had one returned for extra postage, so I think it's a coin flip whether it was extra or not; but sounds like now it's for sure. Maybe I should mail all my cards early so in case they come back for extra postage, they'll still have time to get there :>)

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So, I used to put my envelopes through the hole in my paper cutter to see if they were okay to mail at regular price (is it 1/4 inch thick?)- what is the new rule?
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The rules are very confusing - I will have to take a lot of stuff to PO and have them check it to be sure. I think it has to be less than 3/4 inches thick and uniformly solid and flexible to be considered first class letter rate. So I think you can still put cardstock in a big envelope and since it will bend. But if you actually stamp it - do not bend - then they will charge you the higher rate.

I sell on eBay and a lot of the smaller stamps sets weighing under 13 ozs could be sent in a bubble envelope or even a thin box and you just paid like it was a first class letter. Now those packages have to go parcel post or priority mail. I think this whole thing is the post office's way of leveling the playing field for small parcels.

I think they have shot themselves in the foot because a lot of people will start sending those packages UPS or Fedex.
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The lady at my PO said that they told her the rate changes were to get them more in line with UPS and Fed EX.
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I checked out the USPS and found the following - sorry it did not copy over better.

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Rectangular cardstock mailpiece not contained in an envelope


Letter
Small rectangular mailpiece no thicker than 1/4 inch


Large Envelope
Flat rectangular mailpiece no thicker than 3/4 inch


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A three-dimensional mailpiece contained in a box, thick envelope, or tube, weighing up to 70 pounds



Mailpiece Dimensions
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Postcard minimum
maximum 5 inch min.
6 inch max. 3-1/2 inch min.
4-1/4 inch max.
Letter
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maximum 5 inch min.
11-1/2 inch max. 3-1/2 inch min.
6-1/8 inch max.
Large Envelope minimum* 11-1/2 inch min. 6-1/8 inch min.
Package Weight cannot exceed 70 pounds.
Length + girth (distance around the thickest part of the package) cannot exceed 108 inches. (Parcel Post cannot exceed 130 inches.)

* Large envelopes exceed one or more letter-size maximum dimensions.

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