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Old 05-19-2007, 05:46 PM   #1  
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Default Final results of my clear envie Postage Experiment!

On Tuesday I sent out 18 cards in clear envelopes with only 41 cents on each. I took 4 to the post office with a package and handed them to her with the package. Not a word. The other 14 went out of my home box. Recipients were in Florida, Washington, Montana, California, Colorado, and Ohio. I emailed them that the cards were coming and I wanted to know if they made it and if there was any postage due. All 18 have arrived as of today. None were asked for extra postage.
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Thanks for the info.
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that is very good news indeed! thanks for letting us know!
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The clear envie surcharge is not new. This has been in effect since before the *last* rate hike. It seems to depend on the mood of the postal worker who receives and processes your mail. I have had envies returned or delivered with postage due notices as well as others that have made it to the destination unscathed and at standard first class rate. I have also has envies mailed from the same post office and one day worker #1 will take them with no question, and the next day worker #2 will make me pay the postage surcharge.

It's really a crap shoot at this point what you will have to do when you mail in a clear envelope.
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Did any of the cards have obvious embellishments that were raised, like a brad, or such? Just wondering.
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I think you need to send one of those cards to Nebraska to see if that state charges extra postage due - you can PM me for my address, I'd be happy to assist you!
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No, they were all completely flat, but several had quite a few layers. Sent a couple today with tiny gingham bows. Will let you know if anything does not make it. Maybe if I desensitize them they will not notice.
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I use clear envelopes exclusively and have for a few years now...I have NEVER had an envelope returned or arrived with postage due. I know they say it should cost more but I have personally never seen it.
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I must have missed the boat somewhere,...not a new problem here,...why would they charge extra for clear envies? Used to use them exclusively then fell out of the habbit.
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I have always mailed my homemade cards in the clear envelopes (nearly all have some sort of embellishment on them - and I feel the clear envies give the added protection).
I have never had to add postage or have ever had postage due on cards sent.
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This is interesting to me, too. I always mail my cards in the clear envies, too, and twice now in a year and half, I found out that the person was being charged on the other end the $0.19. I've been debating on either not using those envies anymore, or adding the extra postage. This "data" is nice to know - thank!
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It's so interesting to read everyone's different experiences with postage rules -- And it really bugs me how inconsistent the USPS seems to be.

The last time I received a card in a clear envelope (no embellishments), it came postage due.
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Ooops! I need the old edit button...

Now that I remember, it was actually a square card in a clear envelope. It was more likely the square-ness that required extra postage. Sorry!
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hmmm . . . clear envies . . . . I've never heard of such a thing. Only in America eh. *chuckle* Interesting thread though.
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I always use clear envelopes and never have a problem. (I have had to add extra postage for brads and things). My mailman likes to look at the cards when he takes them. (and I've had postoffice workers say they like it too)
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Although the "clear envelope" and the "bulkiness" are two seperate issues the result is still the same. The PO considers them to have to be "hand cancelled" therefore you have to pay extra for that. Before I knew there was such a thing, I had sent out several of both and to my knowledge never had a problem of them arriving safely and without postage due. I agree with the above poster that it depends on what kind of mood they are in. Now that I do know, I just don't want to take the chance...I just pay the extra few cents for my own peace of mind.
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It does totally stink that it is PO to PO because mine always charges extra. I don't care, but it should definitely be enforced equally because it is bad that someone on the other end might have to pay extra because the sender was told that she didn't, but the other PO didn't see it that way.

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I think if you want to avoid this extra charge, don't take them to PO counter. As for not being machinable, I read somewhere else that it is rare for one not to go through the machine just fine and it is only the odd one that gets caught and sent back for being non-machinable. I have mailed 100-200 Christmas cards per year in clear envelopes. My concern was that it seems that on May 14 they were talking about getting stricter about these things. Based on this experiment, I think it continues to be just talk. Of course, if you put them on the spot they are going to have to tell you to put extra postage on them.
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I always mail my cards in the clear envies, too, and twice now in a year and half, I found out that the person was being charged on the other end the $0.19.
Do you know how the PO asked for the money? Just curious if the person got a parcel card for the item, and if they could *only* stand in line at the PO to get their item.
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I know I've had postage due stuff here, and my carrier just puts a little envie in with the mail that asks for the extra money. I haven't had this happen for ages, so not sure if that's how it works. I would HATE for anything I'd send to arrive postage due.

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Hope this isn't considered a hijack --- but for those of you who are using clear envelopes, do you put the address and return address on the back of the card or do you put stickers on the outside of the envelopes??????
I just ordered 1000 so I need to know !!
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It's so interesting to read everyone's different experiences with postage rules -- And it really bugs me how inconsistent the USPS seems to be.

The last time I received a card in a clear envelope (no embellishments), it came postage due.
Did you actually have to pay it? I've recieved "postage due" envelopes two or 3 times- but they were just in my mailbox stamped with however much was owed- I had no idea how to pay, so I just didn't. Was I supposed to stick a dime into the mailbox and hope the carrier gave it to someone in the office?
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Yeah, how do they keep track of who owes postage due?
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Yeah, how do they keep track of who owes postage due?
usually when postage is due they slip a notice in your mailbox that you have a package w/ postage due at the PO.. Sometimes they don't mess with it when it's such a small amount due...
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Hope this isn't considered a hijack --- but for those of you who are using clear envelopes, do you put the address and return address on the back of the card or do you put stickers on the outside of the envelopes??????
I just ordered 1000 so I need to know !!
I write the address on a piece of pretty paper cut to fit the inside back of the card. I also put my mailing label on that and then seal. The stamp goes outside. I send many cards to rainy areas and it is nice because they never get a damp card or a smeared address.
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I have never had to put extra postage on mine...I usually put a 3x5 card on the backside and put the address on it. Susie
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Thanks, Housefan. I'll do the same
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Ooohhhh! Lawbreaker!!!!

I had to pay TWO CENTS once. I put two pennies in the little envie and stuck it on my mailbox. It was gone the next day... whether the mailman or the neighbor took it, I'll never know.

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Did you actually have to pay it? I've recieved "postage due" envelopes two or 3 times- but they were just in my mailbox stamped with however much was owed- I had no idea how to pay, so I just didn't. Was I supposed to stick a dime into the mailbox and hope the carrier gave it to someone in the office?
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I wasn't so lucky. Took two cards in clear envelopes to the post office today and was told by the clerk that anything not in a paper envelope was regarded as parcel post. He said: "This is going to be expensive!"

I paid $1.13 in postage for each envelope ($2.26 total). I don't think I will be mailing cards in clear envelopes any longer, at least not from this post office in Columbia, Maryland.

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I have always liked the Columbia, MD post office...one of the ladies there actually stamps (the one with the long blond hair, forty-ish). I have never seen another post office with a drive thru! However, I sent my clear envies from my home mailbox in Silver Spring, MD. I think it depends on who you get...
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I wasn't so lucky. Took two cards in clear envelopes to the post office today and was told by the clerk that anything not in a paper envelope was regarded as parcel post. He said: "This is going to be expensive!"

I paid $1.13 in postage for each envelope ($2.26 total). I don't think I will be mailing cards in clear envelopes any longer, at least not from this post office in Columbia, Maryland.

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Ooohhhh! Lawbreaker!!!!

I had to pay TWO CENTS once. I put two pennies in the little envie and stuck it on my mailbox. It was gone the next day... whether the mailman or the neighbor took it, I'll never know.
I didn't get a little envelope.


And this "anything not in a paper envelope is parcel post" thing is SO new to me. Do you think the post office even knows their own rules?
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Whenever someone has sent me something without adequate postage, they withhold the piece of mail until I go stand in line and pay the shortage.
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Whenever someone has sent me something without adequate postage, they withhold the piece of mail until I go stand in line and pay the shortage.
I wish you were kidding!!!!! Having experienced the joy that is the USPS PO, I feel your pain and would be tempted to not pick the item up so it would be returned to sender as undeliverable. Then they could re-send it with adequate postage. Good Lord, sometimes the way the PO is set up in the US, it reminds me of the TV footage we'd see of people standing in ginormous lines all day for toilet paper in Communist Russia, then having to stand in line for a loaf of bread, etc etc. I wish the USPS had to pay us minimum wage to wait to get service at the PO -- it wouldn't be so galling to wait 40 minutes to get to the counter at 10:30 on a Tuesday morning.
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I have had to pay extra postage on clear envelopes for a couple of years now. The reason they gave is that they are too slippery for the machine and have to be hand cancelled.
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Do you know how the PO asked for the money? Just curious if the person got a parcel card for the item, and if they could *only* stand in line at the PO to get their item.
Sorry for the way long reply, but they left a note in their mailbox stating that they owed $0.19.
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I wasn't so lucky. Took two cards in clear envelopes to the post office today and was told by the clerk that anything not in a paper envelope was regarded as parcel post. He said: "This is going to be expensive!"

I paid $1.13 in postage for each envelope ($2.26 total). I don't think I will be mailing cards in clear envelopes any longer, at least not from this post office in Columbia, Maryland.

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It says "All First-Class Mail nonmachinable letters are subject to the 17-cent nonmachinable surcharge." As for whether they want to call clear envies non-machinable, that seems to depend on which clerk you happen to get.
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When sending cards in clear envies.......mine never make it and are returned to me each time.......so I have to go directly to my local post office and pay the extra cents to send it.......
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Wow, it's amazing to read how varied each person's contact with the USPS has been. I live in Savannah, GA and have been sending out cards in clear envelopes for several years. I have put them in my mailbox, put them in a box in town, and taken them to the post office and handed them to a clerk. They have had no layers, multiple layers, ribbons, brads, eyelets, punches, etc. and I have never had any sent back for postage due or anyone that received one tell me that they had to pay postage. There doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason as to why some people have problems and others don't.
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