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Old 09-19-2006, 08:56 AM   #1  
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BUMMER -- RUINED CARDS!!!

I'm so upset -- I have been dying the grosgrain ribbon on the ink pads with my finger -- works great!!! Now, on cards I still have at home, about 3 or 4 weeks later, I am noticing that the ink is leeching out of the ribbon and staining, RUINING, the card stock it is laying on -- it is a horrible mess -- rendering these cards useless. It took MANY weeks for this to happen. Has this happened to anyone else????
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YIKES!
I haven't had this problem... I don't think! I better go check all of my cards!
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Oh, no! You poor thing, can you salvage anything from them for matting and layering?
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I'm so sorry to hear that...your work is beautiful and I know it must take a while to make each card!! I hope you can salvage them somehow...adding a layer of cardstock over the staining? Maybe some DTP shading?? (But, get rid of the ribbon!!)

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That is a bummer. But it's nice that you posted it here so everyone else doesn't have the same issues!!!! Hope you can salvage some of them! I personally have not even tried dying ribbon yet.
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Oh, no! I'm so sorry this has happened to you! I haven't tried this before. But it seems like I've heard others say they have a hard time getting the dye to "soak in" to grosgrain ribbon.
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Well, it soaks in OK if you go over it enough times -- maybe I went over it too much -- but I do get beautiful, deep rich colors.

People have also been dying ribbon in baggies with the reinkers -- I would presume they would have the same problem over time as it is the same ink -- luckily I don't have the dyed ribbon on all my cards -- in fact, most cards have ribbon that has not been died -- but on the ones where I dyed it, they are pretty much useless -- I usually have many thick layers -- and I tape VERY WELL -- so there is no taking anything apart -- oh well -- just wondering if anyone else is having this problem -- and again -- it didn't show up for many weeks. And the card I'm looking at right here, I dyed a cream grosgrain with the apricot pad - now you wouldn't think apricot is that much of a difference -- but the ink leeching out of the ribbon onto my card is a bright orange -- strange --

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Yikes! So sorry, after all your hard work - must be beyond frustrating. You would think the ink would have dried, especially after weeks. I have colored organza ribbon this way and not noticed a problem. Wonder if it is the thickness of the grosgrain??
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oh man, sharon! i hate to think of any of your beauties being ruined. you know though, i can see how this would happen. on commercially dyed products the dyes are set with special chemicals and treatments to prevent the dyes from running. and even then you have to be careful when you wash clothing sometimes. i know when you dye material at home with ritt dyes i think i remember reading that you should set them with salt or vinegar or something...i just can't remember. the water based stamping dyes i guess are reacting to the natural moisture in the air and the paper and leaching. perhaps the ribbon will need to go through another step when dyed, just like clothing.
i'm really sorry you had to learn this the hard way, but your experience will probably prevent a lot of others from having to go through the same thing. so on all our behalves, i thank you.
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Maybe you could spray the ribbon with hairspray or a matt sealer to stop it happening! Just a thought!
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What I experienced is when I dye the ribbon with either the ink pads or marker it does not hold it's color. They faded in a short time into the yucky orange you described. I found this out when weeding through my sampler sets to pull out retired cards. I was told that way does not saturate well enough. They only way to get the color into the ribbon it to dye it with the re-inkers.
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What I experienced is when I dye the ribbon with either the ink pads or marker it does not hold it's color. They faded in a short time into the yucky orange you described. I found this out when weeding through my sampler sets to pull out retired cards. I was told that way does not saturate well enough. They only way to get the color into the ribbon it to dye it with the re-inkers.
So, even dying with reinkers -- wouldn't it still leech out after time? Am I the only one this has happend to? 88 keys above probably has a very good point!

I think I'm just going to resort to buying the ribbons in the right colors -- more $$ -- wouldn't you know it!!!
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oh dear, you poor thing! You must be sick looking at all the ruined cards. Thanks so much for the heads up to us...wonder if heat setting them would make any difference??? probably not unless you are dying to with the craft pads but yech, that is terrible! Jan
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I do not know as I haven't had them done that long, but I have not read anything about anyone else's bleeding, just fading.

I know I read where some had tried to bleach SU grosgrain ribbon out and the bleach did nothing to the orignal color, so the setting may be something....

Ribbon in all colors sure is a perk!
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I used Cool Caribbean reinker and water to dye some of the Hannah fibers. I put it on a tag on a scrapbook page a little over a month ago and I just looked at it and no bleeding.

I dyed it in the reinker mixed with water and then let it dry completely on a paper towel before attaching it to my project.

I did however try pressing some of the SU black gingham into the Pixie Pink stamp pad last year and then attached it to some projects and it did bleed after a while. So I am wondering if the ink pad is the problem.

I have some other fibers that I have dyed using the reinkers and water and none of them have faded or bled either.

Don't know if this is of any help to you though
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holy cow, good thread, can't wait to see other answers to this. I know when I dyed some ribbon cranberry crisp, that in order to get it to dye dark enough (still not a true enough color), I had to go almost straight reinker no water, and that ribbon is still putting off color, even though I left it out to dry for a week. How weird. wonder if it is the darker colors that are leeching color?
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I dyed some of my ribbon and it leeched into the cardstock as well.
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holy cow, good thread, can't wait to see other answers to this. I know when I dyed some ribbon cranberry crisp, that in order to get it to dye dark enough (still not a true enough color), I had to go almost straight reinker no water, and that ribbon is still putting off color, even though I left it out to dry for a week. How weird. wonder if it is the darker colors that are leeching color?
I did it with Vintage Violet and it has not bled....how wierd.
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Barb,
It's great seeing a picture of you. Very cute! For some reason, I figured you for dark hair, very long. It's amazing how we get an idea of someone looks like from reading their posts.

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It's great seeing a picture of you. Very cute! For some reason, I figured you for dark hair, very long. It's amazing how we get an idea of someone looks like from reading their posts.

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I dry mine with the hair dryer and it seems to "set" the color pretty well. No leaching yet.
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Oh no that sucks. Thanks for the warning. Guess I really will be pulling out my pastels to color my ribbon.
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Mine haven't bled yet, I have dyed and then dried with a hair dryer. I have done bordering blue, pumpkin pie and I tried cranberry crisp (Didnt get great results) and none of them have bled after being put on a card. I will keep my eyes out though.
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Did you heat set your ribbons? I use my heat gun and dry them, I have even ironed them between paper towels.

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I did not heat set my ribbons in any way -- I'm sure ironing them would be good -- or even heating with the heat gun. I did neither! And I really dyed them heavily on the pad as I wanted a rich, deep color.
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I did mine with reinkers and blow dried them. They haven't bled at all and they don't get on your fingers. Now when I did it with an ink pad, they did get all over my fingers.
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I can chime in on this as to why this is not working. I dye yarn and non animal fibers must be set chemically. Also unless the fiber is a 100% plant fiber (cotton) and all natural no water based ink will set in and be permanent.
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So what is a chemical set? Someone mentioned using rubbing alcohol instead of water with the reinkers -- would that count?
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Is there any way you can kind of make the smears work for you by doing it in other places? Sorry if it can't! I never like when a card doesn't come out correctly but to have many makes you heartsick. Good luck!
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Thank you for the explanation, Pezdiva. That makes sense. Good to know
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I can chime in on this as to why this is not working. I dye yarn and non animal fibers must be set chemically. Also unless the fiber is a 100% plant fiber (cotton) and all natural no water based ink will set in and be permanent.
OK, that makes sense, so you are saying that even heat setting, theoretically, should NOT work to make it totally permanent and leach-proof? Can you tell us what a chemical set is? Can we do it?

Also, wondering if the SU grosgrain is 100% cotton -- presuming not -- but I'll run down and check to see if it says on the spools.

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Thought they were nylon or acrylic? Maybe I'm reaching, lol, but does anybody else remember reading that SU said that there were a couple of colors of reinker that would not work well for dying? Maybe I'm dreaming it...
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I'm so sorry. I've never even tried to dye ribbon myself; I can only imagine the time you put in, and having it all look so fabulous and now this, and just the fact you can't salvage any of them . . .

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Oh, thanks so much for the hug and your conern!!! It's not like most of my cards have dyed ribbon, because they dont' -- MOST is the ribbon as it is off the reel -- but you know, it's those *special* ones where I wanted the ribbon just the right color -- the ones I am most concerned about are the Labor Day Challenge cards -- they are very heavily dyed -- a little bit of leeching is starting to occur -- the cards that I still have here that are 4 - 6 weeks old show more leeching -- I just hope I haven't given too many out that are starting to leech and look horrible - YUK!!! Oh well, a good lesson learned -- buy all the ribbons in the right colors!!! A good this for SU anyway!!!
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Thought they were nylon or acrylic? Maybe I'm reaching, lol, but does anybody else remember reading that SU said that there were a couple of colors of reinker that would not work well for dying? Maybe I'm dreaming it...
I know they mentioned artichoke as one...can't recall the others.
I wonder if we add salt to the water when we use a reinker and water if that will help set the color? I think I remember reading that on something? (not necessarily SU!) Or am I the one dreaming, now? LOL!
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Ive never dyed my ribbon, so I'm really no help. I just wanted to tell you Im really sorry that this happened to you In a way... Its a good thing that it happened while you still had the cards at home, could you image if you sent those cards out you may have not known that the ribbon bleeds.
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I'm a little late seeing this thread, but wanted to jump in anyway.

First of all, I feel so bad for you that this happened! I have had the EXACT thing happen to my cards. If I dye grosgrain with the ink pad, it bleeds after several weeks. I was completely shocked when I was looking through some SAB cards and they looked horrible.

I have NOT noticed any bleeding when I've dyed grosgrain with water and reinker. Can anyone confirm that they've had bleeding after dying with water and reinker?
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I have yet to have my ribbon "leech" when I've dyed it w/ water and re-inker. I DO heat set it w/ my hair dryer (highest heat setting) or my heat tool as well. A card I made a good 8 months ago had dyed ribbon and was TOTALLY fine!!

I'm sorry that had to happen to you!! What a bummer!!!

Trudee I too wonder if adding salt to the water would help

Also other's have done it w/ alcohol (instead of water) and re-inker and have had great results - I have to try that one out too.
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I have a ribbon I dyed Cameo Coral with CRAFT ink (from the spot) in January. It doesn't show any signs of fading or leeching...it's not attached to anything...not sure if that makes any difference.
So very sorry to hear about the ruined cards!
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Old 09-20-2006, 03:04 PM   #40  
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Can you take the ribbon off and try to heat set it? I seem to remember when my kids and I tie dyed shirts this summer you had to put them in the dryer before wearing them. So, maybe heat setting all ribbon that is dyed will help.
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