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santim5665 09-11-2016 06:27 PM

Angel policy copyright questionp
 
Hey all, I have a question that I know y'all can help with. I am maybe planning in the future to sell handmade cards on Etsy and to friends and family. I know each stamp I use, stampin up, lawn fawn or whoever will have specific rules about their copyrighted images. I have looked over Stampin up's policy and wonder is this a "stamp set" that I can actually purchase? that is how I kind of understood what I read, but I would like to be 100% sure and have this in mind before selling any card with their images on them.
I am not a consultant/demonstrator for any company.

PS I am 51 years old and left the work world 2 years ago due to lupus, fibromyalgia and various other "bonus" health issues. after having worked outside home for 30 years, I still feel like I need to contribute something more to my household than the ever deepening butt prints on my favorite chair.

Thanks!
Sandra

cailinriley 09-11-2016 08:03 PM

Stampin' Up does require that a copyright stamp be used on the back of a card or project that's being sold. Over the years, SU has sold various sets that contain the required "©STAMPIN' UP!" image, and any of the retired stamps can be used. There are also two current sets that can be purchased.

One is in the Annual Catalogue; it's called "Better than Email" #140463 (photopolymer)

http://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.spli...138b3aa4c6.png

The other is only found online; it's called "I Stamped This" #137049 (wood mount rubber) and #144274 (Clear mount rubber)

http://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.spli...d07ec0fe0a.png

Sorry to hear about your health challenges. Hope you get much joy and satisfaction out of making your cards. Wishing you luck with your sales!

denarod 11-26-2017 09:24 PM

Yes or No......do we still have to stamp a SU handmade image on the back of our cards like the ones above, if so does SU still sell them? Where do we get them, I haven't seen any new ones for awhile. I have an old one, but it's starting to wear-off a little. Any leads would be helpful. Thanks.

wavejumper 11-27-2017 04:45 AM

I TOTALLY hear what you are saying. Just one thing: Start trying to sell asap to see how viable your local market is for it before you commit to a large inventory.


Angel Policies are a mixed bag...a range from totally NO to totally open YES, have a party as many as you want, no conditions. Inbetween there are conditionals...how many of a particular image, using their mfg stamp on it, etc etc so carefully comb for that info on companies. And be aware-they can change. So from a strictly legal POV I would say check AGAIN before you actually sell, esp on the net or in public.

Could the argument be made that at time of purchase they had X rule? Possibly but who is going to go to court to argue that?


They can be either out in the open on a site or hiding under terms and conditions, about us, etc though I find now more and more of them are open with it....if you cant find it, email them and ask. And then keep that email answer. I have a 3 ring binder with them dated. The oddballs that wont print I have in a computer file.


I kind of think the easiest way to go is only buy from YES companies so you know you can use anything in your room...counting the conditionals...a lot of them are now. But people do whatever is good for them.

gregzgurl 11-27-2017 11:07 AM

FYI: Regardless of "policy", copyright law states that you only need include the © and the name of the copyright holder. If you know the year of copyright, that should be included, as well. They can't FORCE you to use their stamp...

BashfulStamper 11-27-2017 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by denarod (Post 21573354)
Yes or No......do we still have to stamp a SU handmade image on the back of our cards like the ones above, if so does SU still sell them? Where do we get them, I haven't seen any new ones for awhile. I have an old one, but it's starting to wear-off a little. Any leads would be helpful. Thanks.

SU has a new set with the copyright image, though it's a bit different than some of the previous sets. The current set is called Crafting Forever.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.spl...21afb40a6f.jpg

Louisa May 11-28-2017 02:36 PM

i consulted a lawyer about this issue several years ago. As far as I know the law has not changed. Any time you use an image in your own design, it becomes yours --that is, you've legally changed the image, making it your own by putting it in an original context. In fact, you can use an image you don't purchase --say a picture from a magazine, in any creative way you like without either paying or crediting the magazine. You may also sell purchased images you transform. You're not required under law to credit anyone if your creation is original, and what makes it original is any way you use it that transforms the image into something else. For instance, a stamp becoming an image on a card is therefore transformed.. Angel policies may be simply a company's obeying the law and making it seem like a favor to you, or they may be a way for a company to get free advertising by implying a threat that is not technically legal. Please correct me if the law has changed in the past couple of years.


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