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Just opened my new cardstock and some colours are thin, I mean too thin for a good card base. Has anyone else noticed this? Not all the colours but some of them. The browns for sure. Not sure what the colour names are as I am not that familiar with the colour names and didn't sort them with names.
Hmmm, I just got cherry cobbler and marina mist and both seem as thick as usual. I'd definitely talk to your demo about this!
Sophie, the Whisper white and very vanilla SU cardstocks are thin on purpose. SU wants customers to buy colored cs for bases, and use the white and vanilla for layering. I also don't buy the SU white or vanilla anymore, but that's because I use white for most of my card bases and prefer PTI's, which has some tooth to it and is super thick for bases. The colored SU cs is (usually!) nice and heavy.
Uh...Whisper White is thin on PURPOSE?? I don't understand!! The SU! customer service representative denied this point blank!! <exasperated look> Why would they make paper thin on purpose?? We can still layer THICK paper!!
Okay I only noticed because maybe a year or two ago, a friend of mine showed up at my house very upset because she had just opened her package of Whisper White and the paper was soooooo thin, but our demo said she couldn't return it because the package had already been opened. I called the 1-800 Stampin' Up! number for my friend 'cause I couldn't believe it (I thought surely there is some mistake; it would be easy to re-wrap, and none of the sheets were used. Also, it was just a neat slit across the top; it wasn't as if the plastic was torn completely off). But the customer service lady I talked to confirmed what our demo had said (it wasn't returnable) and also she continuously insisted that the Whisper White was JUST AS THICK as all the other SU! colours!
My friend became a PTI convert (for white paper at least) that day 'cause I consoled her by giving her a bunch of my PTI Select White.
I am finding lots of companies who are handling just as good if not better paper than SU. Mark's Finest Papers for one, and I love PTI too.
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How odd, Sophie! My first demo, years ago, explained that the white and vanilla were thin and smooth for layering and crisp stamping, while the colored cardstock was thick and heavy for bases. That made perfect sense, given the SU card style model, but my own style veered away from that model years ago. Besides, real red ink never ever dries on WW or VV.
For a customer service representative to argue that WW was just as thick clearly indicates a failure in his/her training...as well as unfamiliarity with the product. Nutty.
And also not what I'm used to from SU. In my experience, Customer Service has been hugely helpful in the few instances I've had to deal with them over the years. I find the colored CS to be fairly comparable to PTI, and I love them both equally. But PTI has all my business for white and cream!
another weird (??) paper thing. My paper is getting thinner! Apparently the humidity sucks the life out of even my thickest cardstock, regardless of brand. No more stocking up for those of us living in a swamp!
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Queen Bee.....Yes, most definately the dye used in coloring the paper can and does make a difference in the texture/feel of the paper.
The Stampin' Up white and off white/cream color paper are a totally different texture and feel than their other color cardstock. Yes, they are supposed to be the 80# they claim, but to the feel they are very different.
This difference holds true in other materials that are dyed. For example, embroidery floss has a difference between some colors. I'm sure there are other things, but I'm not familiar with those.
I'll take a couple of sample when I go to club next week. I might be ordering from Gina K as PTI's shipping is way too expensive to ship to Canada, unless I can find a good Canadian supplier. I was in a club, last one next week. So I got I set of each of the new colours sets and I have 1 package of the old colours (which ever set has Rich Razzelberry). I haven't checked the retired colours I ordered on sale. I will make do, but won't be buying much more of SU. I think I find better stuff or more my style of stuff else where. I had a hard time finding things to order since the new catty came out.
WEIGHT of paper is the number of pounds that 500 full size sheets of paper. All of SU paper is 80 pound paper.
THICKNESS (or caliper) of paper, if the basis weights are the same, has to do with the TYPE OF FINISH. Bristol, card, text, index, cover, etc are all different thicknesses and/or stiffnesses because of the way the paper is compressed, rolled, and finished. In order to get the ultrasmooth finish on SU white and vanilla, it needs to be rolled to a much tighter pack (higher density) and then finished to make the smooth surface. A stack of 20 sheets of SU white or vanilla will be thinner than 20 sheets of one of the colors because of the way it is rolled and finished.
Thickness does not necessarily translate into quality.
For card bases, STIFFNESS is what we look for and sometimes a lighter weight, less dense cardstock is just as STIFF as a heavier weight, more dense cardstock.
For card bases, STIFFNESS is what we look for and sometimes a lighter weight, less dense cardstock is just as STIFF as a heavier weight, more dense cardstock.
Then I chose the wrong word, STIFFNESS, is what is missing in a number of the colours I tried, again it was the browns and possibly a white or light colour. Again I am terrible with the names. It was one package I bought before the colour change and one after of the mutli colour cardstock. Made it rather hard to do what I really wanted for the card last night. Not happy with the way it turned out.
Thank you so very much for this explanation.
Personally I have been using Neenah 110 for my card bases. I can purchase a reem from the distributor for about 30$ (driving distance for me), and I get 250 sheets. I also use it for stamping and coloring. The plus is I have no problem using it w/ my copics. JM2�
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WEIGHT of paper is the number of pounds that 500 full size sheets of paper. All of SU paper is 80 pound paper.
THICKNESS (or caliper) of paper, if the basis weights are the same, has to do with the TYPE OF FINISH. Bristol, card, text, index, cover, etc are all different thicknesses and/or stiffnesses because of the way the paper is compressed, rolled, and finished. In order to get the ultrasmooth finish on SU white and vanilla, it needs to be rolled to a much tighter pack (higher density) and then finished to make the smooth surface. A stack of 20 sheets of SU white or vanilla will be thinner than 20 sheets of one of the colors because of the way it is rolled and finished.
Thickness does not necessarily translate into quality.
For card bases, STIFFNESS is what we look for and sometimes a lighter weight, less dense cardstock is just as STIFF as a heavier weight, more dense cardstock.
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Someone did some measurements and they are on a thread floating around here somewhere. They used some kind of really sensitive scale to weigh a bunch of colors, dark and light. If I remember right, they were all right around where they should be as far as weight. There was a very slight difference in some but I don't think it would have been enough to be "statistically significant" :-) Take THAT stats teacher, haha!
I have noticed in a different "feel" of the paper, well not of all but of some as of late. I think that they changed they manufacturer, maybe the new formula is a bit different. I haven't found it to be a problem in my own stamping though but I do notice the feel for sure. Maybe it has something to do with light versus dark like someone else mentioned. SU uses a lot more recycled fibers in the dark colors...maybe that is what makes them feel so sturdy???
Thank you so very much for this explanation.
Personally I have been using Neenah 110 for my card bases. I can purchase a reem from the distributor for about 30$ (driving distance for me), and I get 250 sheets. I also use it for stamping and coloring. The plus is I have no problem using it w/ my copics. JM2�
Marjona2 is correct... Neenah Classic paper comes in reams of 250 sheets -I think that's because it is cardstock. But yes... typically a ream of regular paper is 500 sheets of paper.
I don't think Marjona is getting ripped off. It's much cheaper to buy paper in full reams even though the ream is only 250 sheets.
Thank you so very much for this explanation.
Personally I have been using Neenah 110 for my card bases. I can purchase a reem from the distributor for about 30$ (driving distance for me), and I get 250 sheets. I also use it for stamping and coloring. The plus is I have no problem using it w/ my copics. JM2�
A ream of heavier, thicker cover weight is 250 sheets. 500 would be almost 5 inches thick!
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Personally I have been using Neenah 110 for my card bases. I can purchase a reem from the distributor for about 30$ (driving distance for me), and I get 250 sheets. I also use it for stamping and coloring. The plus is I have no problem using it w/ my copics. JM2�
I buy the 110 pound paper too, but Wausau discontinued their 110 pound astropaque that I loved. I'll have to check out the Neenah 110 pound. Thanks!
WEIGHT of paper is the number of pounds that 500 full size sheets of paper. All of SU paper is 80 pound paper.
What is a full sized sheet of paper? I have a hard time believing that 500 sheets of 8.5 x 11 paper would weigh 80 lb.
Jutta
full sheets are about 22 x 28 inches or 24 x 30 and sometimes 26 x 36 inches. Thus the 80 pounds would be for about 4500 sheets of 8.5 x 11 (plus some scrap).
Ok, ladies I am dorkin' out here...just did some research on reams. A ream of standard paper is 500 sheets. However, a ream of cardstock is just 250 sheets. Hope that helps somebody!
Its interesting to read all of this, especially as Im currently always hunting for CS that is close to SU. As SU in Australia is double the cost than it is in the US!
I do have one question though... I know that SU paper is 80lbs but in Australia we work in GSM. Does anyone know the conversion between the two? I have googled but cant figure it out! Thankyou girls!
Marjona2 is correct... Neenah Classic paper comes in reams of 250 sheets -I think that's because it is cardstock. But yes... typically a ream of regular paper is 500 sheets of paper.
I don't think Marjona is getting ripped off. It's much cheaper to buy paper in full reams even though the ream is only 250 sheets.
I also buy Neenah in reams of 250. LOVE that stuff!!
I am a SU die hard where their cardstock is concerned because I love that everything is color coordinated. However, I may try some of the white cardstock from PTI.
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It is my understanding that paper weight is determined by a square measure using height, length and width. So a cardstock ream = a paper ream in size but not weight.
this was a good webbie and below is the wiki chart.
Elisha, I'm not sure what 80lbs is in GSM, BUT, for the PTI paper or the 110 lbs one it's about 290-270. I have 290 here and PTI paper and they seem pretty close, maybe a touch thicker.
Just opened my new cardstock and some colours are thin, I mean too thin for a good card base. Has anyone else noticed this? Not all the colours but some of them. The browns for sure. Not sure what the colour names are as I am not that familiar with the colour names and didn't sort them with names.
I noticed this also; last week I was using one of the darker cardstocks to make a card base and noticed it was so thin that I could not use it for a base. Then I have noticed other colors that are thicker than some of the others. Very weird!
Is their textured cardstock thinner than the smooth? I was sent a package of textured cardstock last spring and I used a piece as a card base the other night and it really seemed thin. I was just wondering if this is normal or not, because I've never used their textured cardstock before.
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Elisha, I'm not sure what 80lbs is in GSM, BUT, for the PTI paper or the 110 lbs one it's about 290-270. I have 290 here and PTI paper and they seem pretty close, maybe a touch thicker.
Thankyou for that I dont know how right the chart is as I use 200gsm card for bases and the SU 90lbs ones is much thicker.... I think ill be aiming to find something around the 250-290 mark. I love the sound of PTI but shipping is a KILLER!!!
Anyone Notice SU cardstock seems thin?
