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Has anyone ever tried renting out their stamps and dies to crafters?
Just wondering how it would work?
I know if I ever did, I think I would charge at least what the stamp set is worth as down payment,
so if it doesn’t come back well at least you got money for it, and then a refund when they come to return it.
I presume a weekly rate would make the most sense.
Looking for ideas or maybe rentals of stamps and dies is not a wise thing to do, your thoughts?
I know I would be more comfortable with stamps then dies, but some are a matching set
I used to lend out stamps on occasions, and some were hard to get back.....
But- many of the stamp companies Angel Policies DO NOT ALLOW images to be 'shared' like this, Stampin Up, MFT, etc this would violate their angel policy.
I don't think my inner personal control freak would allow me to rent out my tools... I am ok with getting back stamps that look like they were inked but, bent dies tends to make me a little stabby feeling.
however people who come to my house to play have free range in the studio.
When I get together with friends for a craft weekend, we happily use each other's stamps and dies, but we would never ask to take anything home. At one point we have all been disappointed with the decision to lend our stuff.
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I wouldn't rent my stamps or dies but I have let people borrow my stamps and dies. I live in a "active over 55 community" and we have a craft room in our Villa along with a library, game room, gym, pool, etc. Ten years ago I started a Card Making group and over the years I've let some of the group use my stamps. I only had one bad occasion when I found one person using Stazon ink. When I asked why she was using Stazon she said it was on sale at Michaels. She was just stamping on cheap paper and not doing any coloring. I had a class the next time on different types of inks and what they were used for. We've also had die cutting days when we each brought our die cutting machines and some dies and spent the day cutting dies we didn't have. Most of us have been together for years and I know who I trust with my stamps and dies and don't have a problem with them borrowing them.
I used to lend out stamps on occasions, and some were hard to get back.....
But- many of the stamp companies Angel Policies DO NOT ALLOW images to be 'shared' like this, Stampin Up, MFT, etc this would violate their angel policy.
Shelly
That's an outrageous and unenforceable policy. No one can tell me what I can do with something I bought, especially to whom I can lend it. (Not rolling eyes at you, but at their ridiculous policy.)
It's my understanding that it's already-stamped images that you're not supposed to share around or sell. Letting someone borrow stamps is no different than letting them borrow your hammer - they're both tools.
That's an outrageous and unenforceable policy. No one can tell me what I can do with something I bought, especially to whom I can lend it. (Not rolling eyes at you, but at their ridiculous policy.)
I don't think any of these companies would really mind an occasional lending of a set to a friend, but it's understandable why they wouldn't allow renting of stamps for a fee. That would be the same as selling stamped images which is not allowed.
It's funny you ask this. I have day dreamed more than once one of a dream job working in a craft lending library! In a great old historic big building...
In the city I live in there is some thing that started down town that is some kind of a tool co-op thing. ( like renting tools ) but, I think you have to go to their space to use the tools and probably pay a fee. (they have internet wi-fi and public computers too)
and I think it's more like tools you would find in your own garage. ( like a skill saw or something along those lines)
I quit lending stamps when a very generous friend got one of her stamp sets back missing a stamp -- the "s" from an expensive alphabet set was lost by the borrower. It's better just to use a set until you're over it then sell it here or at a garage sale.
Mary Beth
I don't think my inner personal control freak would allow me to rent out my tools... I am ok with getting back stamps that look like they were inked but, bent dies tends to make me a little stabby feeling.
however people who come to my house to play have free range in the studio.
I have loaned stamps and dies to friends and never had an issue. They all have the same respect that I do for my tools (stamps and dies). Not sure about renting to strangers -that inner personal control freak wouldn't allow me to do it either.
It's my understanding that it's already-stamped images that you're not supposed to share around or sell. Letting someone borrow stamps is no different than letting them borrow your hammer - they're both tools.
Do you know if it makes a difference of stamp sets are retired?
I love the idea of get togethers where others can use your stamps at the event. I only know 3 stamping ladies in my area, would love to know more and do an event maybe once a month. I think that would a lot of fun, because everyone has different tastes and buys different stamp images and/or companies . Just imagine the card ideas!!
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Doris, I think this is a question for DS but I do think the Angel Policy, with regard to stamped images, would be for any set, retired or current.
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I don't think any of these companies would really mind an occasional lending of a set to a friend, but it's understandable why they wouldn't allow renting of stamps for a fee. That would be the same as selling stamped images which is not allowed.
I feel that, even if I wanted to charge for renting them, that's my business. I do agree that selling stamped images would be wrong.
That’s an interesting question, I have never thought of renting my stamps. I loan to my demo friend once in awhile if I have something she doesn’t and needs to borrow. We have the same respect for our treasures and trust each other. I think like most so far, I am hesitant to let them out of my sight except to my trusted friend. AT a fun get together, and I am there, anyone can use my supplies
A hammer, now... you want to use my hammer?? You just go right ahead, just put it back where you found it! My hubby is a tool man, plaid and all. But if he uses something I have hidden away so I can finding it again, chances are he won’t out it back. Drives me crazy!
I love the idea of get togethers where others can use your stamps at the event. I only know 3 stamping ladies in my area, would love to know more and do an event maybe once a month. I think that would a lot of fun, because everyone has different tastes and buys different stamp images and/or companies . Just imagine the card ideas!!
I have monthly stamp classes where I provide all the stamps and supplies. Everyone who teaches does - I never before I read this thread thought of that as "renting" my stamps - most people go on to buy the stamps we used. They're just paying for me teaching and the supplies they get to keep.
But there is a company that rents stamps - Raisin Boat, which is now closed - was bought by Victorine Originals, and they rent out all their retired stamps for a very small fee.
Well because you are NOT renting them Lydia. You are demo'ing/sampling them. Very different animal. Or as you said it is class supplies. Omg....I would be in trouble from being a teen selling Avon then LOL. Who buys perfume they dont try out first?
If you sat in a room and took 2 dollars from a person to take a die and go play over there with it and return it and leave with no discourse between you...that would be renting.
I don't think my inner personal control freak would allow me to rent out my tools... I am ok with getting back stamps that look like they were inked but, bent dies tends to make me a little stabby feeling.
however people who come to my house to play have free range in the studio.
I don't allow my stuff to leave the house (unless to my parents or sister), but any of my friends are welcome to come over and play with my tools, stamps, and inks anytime.
It's my understanding that it's already-stamped images that you're not supposed to share around or sell. Letting someone borrow stamps is no different than letting them borrow your hammer - they're both tools.
You absolutely can sell stamped images. You just need to add the copyright stamp on the back of the card. Stampin Up even sells a stamp just fir this purpose. It would never have occured to me to rent my stamps/dies. I do lend but only to very trusted and reciprocating friends. I'm very lucky to have a group of great stamping friends.
I am in a fun card kit group - we divide in half and have a theme set by two hostesses who send us all a kit.
Recently, we verified the angel policies with stamping companies. Stamping Up said absolutely not. No stamped images can be in a kit.
SU does allow a completed card or project to be sold, but NO stamped images ( that are stamped and not colored in ) are allowed.
I am leaning towards buying from the companies that DO allow sharing of images, although if I see something that I want from those companies that said no, I will buy it : )
I once had a "friend" email me asking to borrow a tree stamp. She wanted me to stamp out all of my tree stamps first and email them to her so she could see which one(s) she wanted to borrow. I envisioned pulling all of my sets apart to individually stamp trees on paper and then clean them and put them back in their correct boxes, just so I could go back and find the specific one(s) she wanted to borrow, and I rolled my eyes.
I told her I was so sorry, but my stamps were in the middle of being reorganized, and it was just impossible to accommodate her at that time.
This was also the friend who told me she wouldn't buy stamps from me (as a demonstrator) because she could just borrow anything I had.
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You absolutely can sell stamped images. You just need to add the copyright stamp on the back of the card. Stampin Up even sells a stamp just fir this purpose. It would never have occured to me to rent my stamps/dies. I do lend but only to very trusted and reciprocating friends. I'm very lucky to have a group of great stamping friends.
I am sorry but this is incorrect. I personally don't know of a single company that allows you to sell their stamped images without it being a completed piece. The stamp you are mentioning is for selling handmade cards which most companies do allow. (Maybe you meant stamped images on a finished creation.)
Angel policies refer to the sale of the images produced from stamping. A company cannot govern if you decide to sell or rent their stamps. They might get testy if the person you rented to started talking online about the rentals and they were making a ton of cards with the stamps but I really don’t think so. Renting is basically selling a stamp at a low price with the intention of getting it back. A company cannot decide what you do with your stuff.
As for renting, I have a dream of a huge store/art studio where people could rent stamps and dies. I’d charge the full price up front (more if it’s retired or rare) then when the set is returned in good and complete condition, I’d refund a good portion of the cost. Or if they like the set, a discount on purchasing the set if it’s still available. I know I’ll never see my dream (health and financial issues) but it sounds good in my head. I don’t think people should have to earn a ton of money to have access to the fun products out there. And stamps and dies cost a lot! I don’t begrudge the cost, these companies need to make money, but it’s just not possible for everyone to have everything!
The problem with renting them out would be the renter. Are they good stewards of what they own? If not, you can bet your stamps/dies won't come back in good shape. So, I would definitely rent out at the price it cost to purchase plus shipping and tax and then refund a decent portion if they came back as good as they left.
I wouldn't mind renting something from someone else as long as their product was in good shape.
You absolutely can sell stamped images. You just need to add the copyright stamp on the back of the card. Stampin Up even sells a stamp just fir this purpose. It would never have occured to me to rent my stamps/dies. I do lend but only to very trusted and reciprocating friends. I'm very lucky to have a group of great stamping friends.
Just to clarify (since my original post was apparently fuzzy): You can sell stamped images that you've colored and added to a card or other project, but every angel policy I've ever seen states that you cannot sell stamped images that are NOT colored and/or part of a project...
I've been buying Unity stamps for years, and only recently noticed they've added this to their stamp descriptions. They definitely don't want you renting out their stamps for profit, but I don't see anything saying you can't loan them out. Pretty sure they can't tell you that you can't LOAN out anything you've purchased.
PLEASE NOTE: Unity’s images may not be copied in any way or by any means including graphic, electronic, mechanical and/or photocopying. You have NOT purchased the copyright. Black and white and/or color line versions of Unity’s illustrations, may ABSOLUTELY NOT be sold, stamped out and sold or RENTED. You may NOT re-sell, distribute, give away the hand-stamped images in any way to include by not limited to: image swaps. YOU MAY NOT BUY our stamps and RENT THEM OUT to other stampers for a price or profit. You may not scan and put the original image (in a good resolution) on websites which might allow others to download/steal it. Also you may NOT stamp merge two images together, mechanically reproduce it and/or photocopy it with the intent to distribute. Any item created using Unity Stamps may not be re-sold/re-produced in mass quantities for profit. The images are the property of the artist. The artist owns the right to any financial gain that is made using their original artwork.
The artist owns the right to any financial gain that is made using their original artwork.[/COLOR]
Wow, so you can't sell anything made with their images. Their policy seems pretty extreme. I guess I was not a fan anyway, but if I was, I would be bummed.
I've been buying Unity stamps for years, and only recently noticed they've added this to their stamp descriptions. They definitely don't want you renting out their stamps for profit, but I don't see anything saying you can't loan them out. Pretty sure they can't tell you that you can't LOAN out anything you've purchased.
PLEASE NOTE: Unity’s images may not be copied in any way or by any means including graphic, electronic, mechanical and/or photocopying. You have NOT purchased the copyright. Black and white and/or color line versions of Unity’s illustrations, may ABSOLUTELY NOT be sold, stamped out and sold or RENTED. You may NOT re-sell, distribute, give away the hand-stamped images in any way to include by not limited to: image swaps. YOU MAY NOT BUY our stamps and RENT THEM OUT to other stampers for a price or profit. You may not scan and put the original image (in a good resolution) on websites which might allow others to download/steal it. Also you may NOT stamp merge two images together, mechanically reproduce it and/or photocopy it with the intent to distribute. Any item created using Unity Stamps may not be re-sold/re-produced in mass quantities for profit. The images are the property of the artist. The artist owns the right to any financial gain that is made using their original artwork.
What the....?
I am completely against copyright infringement, and have no problem whatsoever with reasonable angel policies. I don't participate in swaps, craft fairs, or other image exchanges, so none of this would impact me personally. But if any company wants to go on a screed like this (particularly with the multiple 'all caps' histrionics) and still expect to get my business...um, no.
I've been buying Unity stamps for years, and only recently noticed they've added this to their stamp descriptions. They definitely don't want you renting out their stamps for profit, but I don't see anything saying you can't loan them out. Pretty sure they can't tell you that you can't LOAN out anything you've purchased.
PLEASE NOTE: Unity’s images may not be copied in any way or by any means including graphic, electronic, mechanical and/or photocopying. You have NOT purchased the copyright. Black and white and/or color line versions of Unity’s illustrations, may ABSOLUTELY NOT be sold, stamped out and sold or RENTED. You may NOT re-sell, distribute, give away the hand-stamped images in any way to include by not limited to: image swaps. YOU MAY NOT BUY our stamps and RENT THEM OUT to other stampers for a price or profit. You may not scan and put the original image (in a good resolution) on websites which might allow others to download/steal it. Also you may NOT stamp merge two images together, mechanically reproduce it and/or photocopy it with the intent to distribute. Any item created using Unity Stamps may not be re-sold/re-produced in mass quantities for profit. The images are the property of the artist. The artist owns the right to any financial gain that is made using their original artwork.
It says that the items may not be re-sold/re-produced "in mass quantities" which, to me, just reinforces the policy that the items must be individually hand-stamped. Their angel policy page (from the "about" tab) states that there are no limits to the quantity. It is my belief that they are trying to keep the copyrighted images themselves safe from being stolen. They've also added cross-hatching to the images that they post on the website, for the same purpose, I'm sure. I sent an email a few months ago asking about an item that I was planning to make and sell, and they were totally on board with letting me do it. I believe that the clause about "any financial gain" belonging to the artist refers to selling the line drawing itself, either stand-alone or merged, as described earlier in the policy.
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Most of that stuff was just the usual stuff I've seen on other Angel Policies. What caught my attention was: YOU MAY NOT BUY our stamps and RENT THEM OUT to other stampers for a price or profit.
I thought, "Who would rent out stamp sets?" Then I saw this thread, and thought, "Okay, guess there are people who might do it. LOL" It wasn't something that ever crossed my mind.
I love Unity stamps, and the owner and people who work there seem really nice. I see it as them being very protective of their artists.
I think it's ridiculous to tell people what they can and can't do with a TOOL once they've bought it. Stamps are sold as TOOLS, not intended to be works of art - no offense to artists who design them. When you design a TOOL, it is with the understanding that it will be used as such. I would never sell stamped images, because I feel that it is morally wrong, but I give them away when people ask. I've also lent stamps to friends and family. Stamps are not works of art in and of themselves, and I think that is where the issue lies. JMHO
Raison Boat was a stamp rental business but they closed a couple of years ago.
but SUM MORE FUN bought them out and continue the stamp rentals.
I was a monthly subscriber to Raisin Boat years ago. It was a nice program and I LOVE trying the stamps. Especially if I only needed a certain theme for a few cards or event.
I also bought the sets I really liked.
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Rentals - stamps and dies
