I know this is an old thread, the card is beautiful. Reason for my post is I always have such a hard time using this punch. I have a piece of cardstock 4 5/8 wide by 5 1/2 long that I want to fit into another piece of cardstock for the background punched with the wrought iron punch. So how big does the second larger pice have to be? What's the rule of thumb for making the larger piece that is to be corner punched for the punch, for the inside piece? This is driving me nutso!