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Old 06-01-2011, 05:43 AM   #2361
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I love this thread! I've been following it for about a year and have learned so much. I recently sold my barely used Copics because I just wasn't using them... I always grab for my Prismas. Originally I bought a 24 set, then a 72 set.. but wish I'd just started with the biggest one. Now I want to fill in with open stock. So, I was looking for a color chart to catalog what I already have and can fill in the missing pencils. I saw Dini's great chart from a year ago. I'm wondering if it's still the most up to date?

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i am sure dini's is up to date but i am attaching mine in case...
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Thank you Angie! Sorry, I'm a little behind reading this! I've been working on my first DT cards to post and I was a little bit stressed!

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Hi Everyone!

I'm really curious now about these different pencils some of you have been mentioning. I have the Prismacolor pencils and mostly use them with mineral spirits for coloring. Can someone explain the FC poly's and the DW colorsoft and how you use them, pro's, con's for me? Sorry if this was already mentioned. I saw that they are both oil based? What do you use to blend them? Can you use other mediums with them? Thanks!

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I'm really curious now about these different pencils some of you have been mentioning. I have the Prismacolor pencils and mostly use them with mineral spirits for coloring. Can someone explain the FC poly's and the DW colorsoft and how you use them, pro's, con's for me? Sorry if this was already mentioned. I saw that they are both oil based? What do you use to blend them? Can you use other mediums with them? Thanks!

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Coloursoft pencils are wax based, and the Polys (Polycolor and Polychromos) are oil based.

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Thank you Dini! Can't wait to see your article! You're an expert on coloring! I can hear new pencils calling me...hehe...

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[QUOTE=dini;18388528]Hang tight, Kathy! I just submitted an article to SCS that explains the different types of pencils, with samples, ways to use, and pros/cons. It will be available in the resources section soon!

Coloursoft pencils are wax based, and the Polys (Polycolor and Polychromos) are oil based.

Congratulations on your DT spot!![/QUOTE]
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i recently began collecting the coloursoft and the polycolors and i LOVE them. for me the leads are softer and they blend much better. particularly the polycolors because they are oil based. i also think the polycolor colors are far more vibrant. i do not use OMS so i don't know how they would be when using OMS...

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sheesh i thought they would be smaller :P
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Wow, your coloring is awesome! I love the look of the colorsoft one! I may just try out a few of each type in my favorite colors and see how I like them. I've been trying burnishing with my prismas lately and the last card really irritated me with it not blending well, especially with it being a DT card! Sounds dumb, but I think it's time for something new and get more into mix media to get the look I want. Dick Blick here I come...





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yes dini is right. i also highly recommend the derwent blending set at dick blick - that blending pencil is awesome!
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WOW, such a lot of information. I have recently purchased Prismacolors and have been subbed here for a while, I am still trying to read back over.

Great ideas, great colouring, great tips and techniques. Thanks for sharing!!
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I'll try one of those out too! I also have a set of Derwent watercolor pencils 36 that I've barely used. I'll have to play with them a little. I'm excited to try something new! Thanks for your help!


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I bought the DW pencil/burnisher on Marti's recommendation, and love it! I don't use OMS, and the blending w/these are outstanding. DB sells them for $6+. I just bought more Colorsofts (loving those babies) FC Polychromos & Pablo's~~I only got three of the latter, so I can't really comment, but I do love the FC's and the DW's~~Good luck on your DT! Congrats!
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Wow, your coloring is awesome! I love the look of the colorsoft one! I may just try out a few of each type in my favorite colors and see how I like them. I've been trying burnishing with my prismas lately and the last card really irritated me with it not blending well, especially with it being a DT card! Sounds dumb, but I think it's time for something new and get more into mix media to get the look I want. Dick Blick here I come...
Marti, all three of these are fab! I do love the polycolor one though, it is really vibrant! Thanx for your comments in class, but don't be toooo nice, LOL! I take constructive criticism well! I'm really lovin' these classes!
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Hhmmm.. don't know why I haven't been getting email notices on comments in here. Oh well, I have some catching up to do!! The comparisons are great Marti!! All three are very pretty!
Dini, can't wait to see your article in the resources!!
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Coloursoft pencils are wax based, and the Polys (Polycolor and Polychromos) are oil based.

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I have been looking at Dick Blick, and there are two brands of Polycolor: Koh-I-Noor and Lyra.

I am thinking you are talking about the Lyra Rembrandt Polycolors? I LOVE the Lyra Splendor blending pencil!
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yes the lyra brand. i have no tried the koh-i-noor yet. i also just got that splendor blending pencil but have not played with it much yet.....where's that full time nanny/maid/cook i wished for..... :P
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That's great Dini !! I think everyone can benefit by that.
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Wonder who makes the Koh-I-Nor pencils. I have them but the box is long gone. I was wondering so that I could go to their site and see if they have tutorials or more info on the pencils. The pencils I have are the woodless colored pencils but now I'm wondering are the wax based or oil based. How would I be able to tell?
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I've been reading interesting things about polychromos. Is this a Lyra product and is it different from the polycolors just mentioned?

I just filled in my missing Prismas but would like to try some of these polys... just not sure which ones..

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Wonder who makes the Koh-I-Nor pencils. I have them but the box is long gone. I was wondering so that I could go to their site and see if they have tutorials or more info on the pencils. The pencils I have are the woodless colored pencils but now I'm wondering are the wax based or oil based. How would I be able to tell?
Mine are still in the box ... It lists the following website:

www.chartpak.com

The item # is FAB758.24

I did not see any info (on the box) concerning wax-based or oil-based but it does state "lacquer-coated, high-density, pure colour" in case that's a clue I didn't know how to interpret.

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polychromos are by faber casell. polycolors that i use are the ones by lyra. the polychromos are wax based and the polycolor are oil based.

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Polycolors are Lyra (Rembrandt line)
Polychromos are Faber Castell

Both are oil-based and look like they'd be fabulous to color with. I think the Koh-I-Noor brand Polycolor pencils are more of a student grade than an artist grade colored pencils. Only a few colors and only in sets.

Both of the above lines are artist grade, available in sets AND open stock. You would totally want to stick with a line that is available open stock so you can replace that one fave color you use all the time!
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Wonder who makes the Koh-I-Nor pencils. I have them but the box is long gone. I was wondering so that I could go to their site and see if they have tutorials or more info on the pencils. The pencils I have are the woodless colored pencils but now I'm wondering are the wax based or oil based. How would I be able to tell?
I was gifted a box of those recently. I will try to remember to look on the box when I get home from work.
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Thanks. Found Chart Pak's site and apparently Koh-I-Nor woodless pencils are oil based. This is from their site description for the pencils.

Koh-I-Noor spans the globe in search of rich, top quality pigments for our Progresso woodless pencils. These pigments are highly concentrated and perfectly dispersed throughout the entire Progresso woodless color range. Progresso pencils also maintain excellent light permanency, creating vibrant, durable pieces of art.

Another key component of the Progresso woodless pencil are the special oils used in the pencil lead. These oils, along with other binders, allow the Progresso woodless pencil to create dense, even strokes without the use of heavy pressure. These 7.6mm lead diameter are not encased in wood like other pencils; this reduces the loss from sharpening and maximizes the use of the entire lead. The end result is water-resistent, non-toxic and suitable for all artists
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Thanks for reporting the info you found. Knowing (now) the Koh-I-Noor is oil-based I want to try Polychromos even more ... if only my budget grew as fast as my wish list LOL.

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Koh-I-Noor spans the globe in search of rich, top quality pigments for our Progresso woodless pencils. These pigments are highly concentrated and perfectly dispersed throughout the entire Progresso woodless color range. Progresso pencils also maintain excellent light permanency, creating vibrant, durable pieces of art.

Another key component of the Progresso woodless pencil are the special oils used in the pencil lead. These oils, along with other binders, allow the Progresso woodless pencil to create dense, even strokes without the use of heavy pressure. These 7.6mm lead diameter are not encased in wood like other pencils; this reduces the loss from sharpening and maximizes the use of the entire lead. The end result is water-resistent, non-toxic and suitable for all artists
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Koh-I-Noor spans the globe in search of rich, top quality pigments for our Progresso woodless pencils. These pigments are highly concentrated and perfectly dispersed throughout the entire Progresso woodless color range. Progresso pencils also maintain excellent light permanency, creating vibrant, durable pieces of art.

Another key component of the Progresso woodless pencil are the special oils used in the pencil lead. These oils, along with other binders, allow the Progresso woodless pencil to create dense, even strokes without the use of heavy pressure. These 7.6mm lead diameter are not encased in wood like other pencils; this reduces the loss from sharpening and maximizes the use of the entire lead. The end result is water-resistent, non-toxic and suitable for all artists
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Koh-I-Nor is their "own" company I think. ..they also make the rapidograpgh technical pens. I have used the pens for years drawing..I would love to try the pencils. I have an extensive set of all the others ( I am a professional "artist" LOL) I may order some of the KON..on my next blick order. I will let you know. I "believe" they are wax based.
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Old 06-09-2011, 12:35 PM   #2394
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Just found and bookmarked this article, which is packed with info and tips and techniques for pencils... definitely need to block out some time to go back and study it some more! Incredible!

Colored Pencil Tools and Techniques for the Wax and Oil Based Colored Pencil :Art Instruction For Beginners Art Instruction Blog
What an amazing resource and a wonderful artist, thanks for the link!
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Old 06-09-2011, 01:07 PM   #2395
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There's alot of good info to read. She has incredible talent.
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Old 06-09-2011, 01:52 PM   #2396
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It really makes you want to stretch and grow with your coloring, doesn't it? I particularly appreciated her remarks on scumbling with a stiff brush, to blend but keeping a workable surface.

I love the blending pencils but they tend to burnish the surface so it has no tooth left to hold additional pencil. I guess that's why we love our solvents to blend with so much.

Do you know what kind of blending marker that was? I liked her tip about keeping three to use on light, medium and dark colors. She also mentioned you could refill it, I guess she means with the 90% stuff (I am not sure what denatured alcohol is)?

Are some of our blender pens the same, like the Dove blender, where you could refill it with alcohol? I would be more inclined to buy some if they were refillable, I have never purchased a blender pen before.
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Old 06-11-2011, 11:51 AM   #2397
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Hi everyone!

Thought I'd share my first card using my new, expensive Neenah paper. It is really nice paper to work with. This is also one of my new stamps as a DT member for Elphine House Australia!!!! This is an Elisabeth Bell design and is SO adorable, even the kitty is cute!

I tried doing some burnishing using the colorless blender and similar shades together. Sometimes it worked and sometimes it didn't. His hair kind of got away from me and I got to the point that I couldn't do anything anymore. I probably shouldn't have practiced a new technique on a DT card...kind of like trying a new recipe when you have company!

I'm still working on getting new pencils, etc that some of you recommended. I've had a "Cart" on Dick Blick's website for a few days that I keep changing! LOL!

One new thing I tried out on this image, when using my prisma's and OMS I used LePlume markers to add a little intensitiy to some areas. While the marker was still wet, I used a fairly dry stump to move the color just slightly blending. I did this on the blues in his jeans and shirt, the apples and leaves. I was excited!!! But, I realized it doesn't always work as in his HAIR! Probably too much wax buildup. Just thought I would share!

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Old 06-11-2011, 12:14 PM   #2398
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This is really adorable and you have done a fabulous job with your coloring.
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i think it is fantastic kathy!
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It turned out great!
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