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Old 10-21-2010, 06:09 AM   #1841
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Decided not to risk getting Prismacolors made in Mexico. Tried out my set of 12 Coloursoft by Dewent and liked them so I ordered a set of 72 from Dick Blick. I still think the USA made Prismacolors are better but these also blend well and their color choices are good.
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I agree, there are soooo many different opinions out there! Some people HATE the G/P for copics, and yet I have better luck with that than most. I will try the GK again for pencils, I've tried a few times but might have had an off day~~I have soooo much of it, I need to use it up!
What are you using for blending? I have a couple of off brand stocks that blend better with baby oil than other products.

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I blend with baby oil using my prisma colour pencils.
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Does anyone have a list of favorite color combinations regarding the Prismacolor Pencils?

Also, I printed off one of the charts you lovely ladies have shared and I noticed that the "Deco" colors are not on there. Are they different from the rest of the pencils? I got this set so many years ago I don't have the original packaging anymore.

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Does anyone have a list of favorite color combinations regarding the Prismacolor Pencils?

Also, I printed off one of the charts you lovely ladies have shared and I noticed that the "Deco" colors are not on there. Are they different from the rest of the pencils? I got this set so many years ago I don't have the original packaging anymore.

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No real favorites. I use the color chart and match my pencils to the patterned paper I'm going to be using. That way I know the finish product will go together.

The deco colors were discontinued a few years ago. The chart I made was using the current list of 132 colors.

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Thanks V, I just finished coloring in your chart and now that I have a visual of all the colors I think it will help me tremendously when choosing colors to color my images with!!! I will have to go to Mike's to fill in the few missing pencils from my collection.

I just had a few Deco's and some Neons. Neons definately not my style so I'll give them to my neice when she gets a bit older, but the Deco's don't seem so bad, so I will keep them.

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I love the decos! I wonder why they were discontinued... ?
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I love deco yellow! I don't have deco pink or peach... if you do a search on ebay there are still a few places that sell them. Ann Kullberg was selling deco pink and yellow in sets of 3 but it looks like she's out of yellow . annkullberg.com - for all things Colored Pencil! The decos were discontinued due to lightfastness issues.
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That's what I wondered. I did buy some from ebay in a box of 12 and regretted it afterwards - these were OLD Berol pencils made in Mexico and they do not blend.
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hi all..I am new to SCS..and so far I love it!
I have been reading this thread..as I graduated from Art school..a um..few years ago and love CP..I thought I would let you know there is a really good sale going on here Jerry's Artarama)
I didn't check out the shipping yet, but it might be worth the price HTH!
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I'm a colored pencil artist and author of the book Masterful Color. I have used almost all pencil brands and keep coming back to Prismacolor. It depends on how you work.

As to the pencils breaking, there are two very easy fixes for that. I rarely have a pencil break on me. The first is to be sure to use a pencil sharpener with a rotary cutting blade, not one that has a blade that looks like a hand sharpener blade. That will cut the breakage down to almost nothing. If you're still having a problem with a few of the pencils then all you need to do is to stick them in the microwave for 5 seconds. That will heat the wax in them so it will fuse together where there is a break. Pencils break because they are dropped somewhere along the way.


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Deleted the portion of her email which just stated she preferred Prismacolor because they blend so well. Apparently she has the older stock - lol. She also stated oil based pencils are nice but don't blend well. Just thought I'd fill in the blanks.
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As to the pencils breaking, there are two very easy fixes for that. I rarely have a pencil break on me. The first is to be sure to use a pencil sharpener with a rotary cutting blade, not one that has a blade that looks like a hand sharpener blade. That will cut the breakage down to almost nothing. If you're still having a problem with a few of the pencils then all you need to do is to stick them in the microwave for 5 seconds. That will heat the wax in them so it will fuse together where there is a break. Pencils break because they are dropped somewhere along the way.
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Wow, I never would have thought of the microwave! I am definitely going to try that the next time I get a pencil with a smashed up lead!

I agree about her comment to use a rotating burr style sharpener, although if you use a good hand sharpener and do NOT press down on the point but instead use more rotational force, you can get good results. I like the one made by Prismacolor for when I'm traveling or away from home. In my studio I have a rotating burr style electric sharpener. I put the pencils in just far enough to get it to spin.
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Looking again, perhaps only the new white pencil is stamped in black. I only ordered a few, and that was the one I pulled out to compare with an older one because I had an older white pencil that was still unsharpened. The others that I purchased in the last few months that have a Mexico stamp have the same text order and updated fonts as the white pencil I showed, but are foil stamped in silver. Sorry about that.

The country of production is stamped toward the end that you would sharpen, so if you're not seeing it, it may have been sharpened off by now.

The new pencils do not say Sanford on them anywhere....neither do the 2006 pencils. Hm.
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hi..haven't read all the replies( pages) yet..but was wondering what kinds of OMS everyone has tried? I was looking on a supply site today and found walnut oil listed with the paint thinners and it says it is odor free..so does OMS but really it isn't odor free.
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hi..haven't read all the replies( pages) yet..but was wondering what kinds of OMS everyone has tried? I was looking on a supply site today and found walnut oil listed with the paint thinners and it says it is odor free..so does OMS but really it isn't odor free.
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I've tried Mineral Oil, Baby Oil, and Mona Lisa brand OMS. I prefer an eco version I got out of the UK called Zest It which is made with Orange Oil. Eco-House makes a similar product that can be purchased through Dick Blick. I love it because while it has a faint odor, the odor is of oranges.

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Hi everyone...

What is a rotary sharpener? I have never heard of this type product.

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Hi again All!

Another question here While I really like the idea of microwaving the pencils for 5 seconds, I am a bit worried about the metalic printing on the pencils. Do you think this would damage the microwave? Has anyone tried this?
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...While I really like the idea of microwaving the pencils for 5 seconds, I am a bit worried about the metalic printing on the pencils. Do you think this would damage the microwave? Has anyone tried this?
I've read that it's better to use a conventional oven rather than a microwave. I haven't tried it, but this blog article explains the process. Linda Mahoney Art: TIP: Colored pencil breaking? Time to start baking!
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I've tried Mineral Oil, Baby Oil, and Mona Lisa brand OMS. I prefer an eco version I got out of the UK called Zest It which is made with Orange Oil. Eco-House makes a similar product that can be purchased through Dick Blick. I love it because while it has a faint odor, the odor is of oranges.

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Thanks..! I ordered some of the Eco-House stuff, but I am kind of hesitant about using on my art work as there are no reviews aobut it turning the paper yellow. I use archival paper but I am still afraid LOL. I guess it really doesn't matter in my life time huh? I am going to try it..I can't stand the smell of my OMS..it sure isn't odorless. I will let ya know how the Eco-House line works..
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Thanks..! I ordered some of the Eco-House stuff, but I am kind of hesitant about using on my art work as there are no reviews aobut it turning the paper yellow. I use archival paper but I am still afraid LOL. I guess it really doesn't matter in my life time huh? I am going to try it..I can't stand the smell of my OMS..it sure isn't odorless. I will let ya know how the Eco-House line works..
I've been using the Zest-It for better than 18 months now with no yellowing. The Eco-House is pretty close to the same stuff so hopefully you'll get the same results.

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I've read that it's better to use a conventional oven rather than a microwave. I haven't tried it, but this blog article explains the process. Linda Mahoney Art: TIP: Colored pencil breaking? Time to start baking!
LOL! Why didn't I think of that. A much better plan than putting them in the microwave.
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Glad to have found this thread, thanks for putting it out there! I was thinking about starting with Copics, but in all reality, it's an expensive start up! So I'm going to go with the pencils, as I'm loving what I'm seeing with them! Any suggestions as to what size kit is ample to start with? I tend to go for the big stuff, but don't want to over do it this time! 48 good? Thanks for your help! -Kim
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I bought my Prismacolors many months ago...before all this Mexico pencils discussion started. Looked at my set last night (I had assumed...you know what that means...they were made in the States. Every one of them is marked Mexico....they color fine but break ALL the time. I'm screaming now!!!
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Try that baking the pencils in the oven trick. Hopefully that will solve your breaking pencils problem. Has to be very frustrating.
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I've reported here that my old set of PrismaColor pencils blends great with Gamsol/odorless mineral spirits (all 3 brands I've tried) and baby oil, but last night I was trying to color a night sky and Northern Lights so used 2 dark pencils I had never used before as well as 3 other colors I HAD used on sky before . I colored the whole card before blending and was amazed to find the darkest areas wouldn't blend at all. Every stroke of the dark pencils wouldn't budge. I applied more color, thinking I was using wrong technique, but the dark parts still showed all the pencil strokes. Then I looked to see if the "USA" was debossed on those two dark pencils and found there was no markings relative to a country at all.

I tend to use the same colors over and over , so no surprise to find 2 I haven't used before, but wondering if there were others, I looked for the "USA" on every pencil in my set of 24. Eight of them had no country markings, and those 8 won't blend. Curiously, the primary colors are among the 8.

I looked on Ebay for old sets and was amazed to find 8 PAGES of brand new sets for sale at such a variety of prices I was amazed. Some Sellers have copied the advertising from the tins the pencils are in, and they all say the pencils are "superior blending". So I am soooooooo sad for the crafters and artists who will buying those sets, thinking they are investing in the best pencils for blending. Or are there artists who use the pencils WITHOUT blending?

What puzzles me is how Sanford gets away with this false advertising? And what puzzles me even more is why the Customer Service department at Dick Blick echoes Sanford in saying there has been no change. The fact is the formula for making the pencils may be the same, but the equipment and supplies in Mexico are not the same, and the workers are not the same and the pencils made there do not blend. So why is Dick Blick saying they work the same for them?

Is anyone on this Forum using the pencils that are NOT debossed with "USA" and finding that they DO blend?

And is there anyone who has found NEW pencils they love from other companies? I'm needing more colors but have no idea what brand to buy.

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I have a set of Prismacolors (48's) which I bought before Mexico screwed things up. I wanted to add colors to them but after reading about the change of locations for manufacturing I decided not to chance getting inferior pencils. I bought a set of 72 Derwent Colorsoft from Dick Blick. I really like them and the colors are beautiful. What puzzles me is some people who have the Mexico pencils say they blend just fine. Others say they don't blend at all.
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What puzzles me is some people who have the Mexico pencils say they blend just fine. Others say they don't blend at all.
Perhaps those who say the pencils from Mexico blend just fine have a mixed set and haven't yet come across the ones that don't blend.

OR, if they never had the pencils that blend with Gamsol/OMS, perhaps they think what the Colorless Blender pencil does is sufficient blending.

I think the price for a set of 24 is currently lower than what I paid for my set a few years ago, so at least quality and cost are proportional. Too bad we consumers are never asked if we would be willing to pay a higher price for the quality we need.
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That's a good point (no pun intended). I also noticed that if you buy the pencils loose, some are made in the USA. If you're not looking, you can get a mix of USA and Mexico and people who aren't aware of the problem probably have. I noticed that in Michael's and Dick Blick also said they had a mixture of both.
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Very few of my pencils have any country written on them! I have seen USA on some, but most have nothing. As the art store here in Australia that I buy them from doesn't sell lots he has had his stock for sometime, so he guesses they are USA made but who would know. I have had no problem with blending so far, but think I should stock up on colours I use the most.
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When I was in Michael's looking at their loose Prismacolors, some of the USA pencils had the letters etched in the end of the pencil but it would appear the same way as if you etched it in the wood without adding color to the letters. Don't know if I'm explaining that well. You really had to look to see it and if it wasn't that I was looking for USA or Mexico on the pencil, I would have never spotted it.
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You really had to look to see it and if it wasn't that I was looking for USA or Mexico on the pencil, I would have never spotted it.
Exactly my experience, Lorraine. Some of mine with USA have gold paint in the debossing but most are simply debossed.....and very difficult to see. They have to be turned carefully in just the right light. I have a total of 18 that are not USA, and almost all of those have no marking at all. Only the very newest (August purchase) have "Mexico" debossed on them. None of the 18 will blend.

If you have an opportunity to get ones that blend, I would get all the colors you want now, because the look of a well-blended Prismacolored image is so exceptional, especially on Gina K. Luxury stock. I love the glow and the almost-3D look of those images.

I'm in the process of finding SCS folks who want to sell their old pencils and will return here with links as soon as possible. People who have been captivated by Copics, and those who just never got hooked on using colored pencils.......these are the SCS Stampers who will be happy some of us aren't interested in giving up on PrismaColors.
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Old 11-05-2010, 07:52 PM   #1875
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Ladies( and gents) I read a lot of this thread but can't go back right now to finish reading....can some one please tell me what all the talk about Mexico is about? I have used Prismacolors for art work for several years now( I just got into card making about 2 years ago) and LOVE them. I haven't had any bad experiences with them except for breaking while sharpening..but that is pretty common with most( I have used nearly every brand out there)...if they are moving the company to Mexico and it is affecting the quality...then I think we need to get together and let them know..
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Old 11-06-2010, 05:21 AM   #1876
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So, in a nut shell - all newly mfg'd Prisma pencils are from Mexico and those are the ones to avoid due to blendability failure? Wikipedia states that Prismacolors used to be manufactured by Berol and are now mfg'd by Sanford (who also makes Sharpies). That explains the outsourcing to Mexico! Are there any other comparable brands out there? Or should we get a second job to get on the Copic bus? Glad for forum threads like this, they are truly very helpful! Now what?
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INKIN ONE This is the post that sums up the Prismacolor problem.


Here is the Prismacolor problem in a nutshell.
WHAT?!!!!!!!! Say it aint so! Prismas are the only way I can color decently!



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FINALLY I have my answer!!!! My brand new Prisma color soft lead pencils can't be blended with Gamsol or any similar product, such as baby oil and mineral spirits. The Sanford company claims they have changed nothing. However, the fact is that my old Prismacolors blend with Gamsol and my new ones don't. I haven't changed anything. So somewhere I heard about scribbletalk.com, and that's where I found the news that production of Prismacolor pencils has moved to Mexico. In fact, there is no major pencil company left in the USA, since December of last year. So if you have a source for the OLD pencils, better get them now, unless you don't care if they won't blend.

If you have old ones you would like to sell to me, I'm particularly interested in buying greens, browns and pastel because I have only 3 of each of those.

By the way, I haven't bought any Prisma watercolor pencils lately, so I don't know if those have changed, but the discussion on Scribbletalk.com leads me to believe the deterioration in quality of pencil products has been relatively constant since 2008. There's much mourning of that fact by Artists who make their living using pencil products.

Lyra, which was going to be my second choice for soft lead colors, used to be produced in Germany but has now moved to China.

Paper, ink, colored pencils, erasers, adhesives......my most-used supplies have deteriorated in quality so dramatically over the past two years, it's probably time I find a new addiction. I'm a Crafter, not an artist, so I should NOT be so fussed about this, that's for sure.

Sorry to be the Bad News Bearer!

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Sad to hear, for us crafters, even more sad for the artists! Maybe if we all email the White House, and complain? It's just not right!
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Bahb -- You are a wonderful woman!! Thanks so much for your efforts to find Prismacolors. I would be very happy to buy USA colors I don't have. I have Copics but just prefer using pencils. Much better at coloring with pencils than Copics. Since I invested in the Copics I really should practice using them. Thanks again for your effort.
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There are other great pencil brands out there that have the same blendability that the original Prismacolors have. Derwent is an excellent pencil. They don't have the color selection of Prismacolors, but they do fill some holes I've found in the Prismacolor selection. Both the Studio and the Colorsoft are good choices from them. The Coloursofts run around $.85 a pencil, with a set of 72 going for $62 and the Studios run $1.34 with a set of 72 for $95.

Dick Blick also makes their own lines of pencils. These are very well priced at $.79 a pencil or $46 for a set of 72. This is a good option for a beginner that doesn't want to drop a lot of money and still get a really good color selection.

On the opposite side of the spectrum, you can find Caran d'Ache Luminance pencils which run around $3.50 a pencil. I think at that point, you may want to consider Copics. They do, however, make another line called "Pablo" which runs about half that cost with a larger color selection. The Pablos have 120 colors in their selection, which a set going for $209. An investment for sure, but the single pencils are definitely worth a try. The color range is quite nice and again, fills in gaps you would find in the Prismacolor line.

Next up is Faber-Castell Polychomos. I don't have any experience with the colored pencils, although their water color pencils are excellent. I'd expect the same quality from their standard pencils as well. They also have a 120 color selection and run comparable to the Derwent Studio pencils at $1.38 per pencil and $140 for the set of 120.

With the least number of colors, but still great pencils, you have Koh-I-Noors. Individually, the pencils run $.49 and a set of the full 24 colors can be picked up for under $11.

Dini has a good comparison of pencils and their blendability on her blog. She'll pipe in here in a second with links.

Either way, all of these are great choices. My pricing information comes from Dick Blick. A bit of searching on the web could easily turn up better pricing on whichever option you'd like to try.

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