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Rachelrose 02-03-2013 01:57 PM

Water based markers - SU, Distress Memento?
 
I have a half a dozen SU markers and about the same of Distress. I have yet to try the Memento. I would love to hear from some who have and what they think of them.

Thanks. I have to stick to water-based markers, I can't use Copics or anything like, so trying to decide what to start collecting.

fionna51 02-03-2013 02:18 PM

I'm looking forward to answers for this one. I have all but one set of SU markers. I just got the complete set of distress markers today (woohoo!). And I am NOT going to buy copics unless I come into an inheritance that buys me a new house. But I'd like to hear what people like about all of these...and what to do with each.

Rachelrose 02-03-2013 03:26 PM

I have heard that water based markers will never be as blendy as Copics or Spectrum Noirs. I can live with that. But I find the few SU markers I have tend to be streaky if used in a larger area. So I have been sticking to Prismacolor pencils for the coloring I do. But sometimes I don't want that look, I want a more saturated look.

Hope we can get some answers, Diane. Congratulations on your complete set of Distress Markers! Lucky you! You can't go wrong with those for some of the techniques that only Distress can do.

annie* 02-03-2013 04:06 PM

Tim Holtz has some excellent videos on his Distress markers on his blog, Youtube, or the Ranger web site. He just came out with a new video this past week updating the possible ways to use Distress markers. He had tips of things that he has learned about the markers since they have now been on the market for a year. I found I learned a lot from watching it, and perhaps you will find it interesting as well.

Rachelrose 02-03-2013 04:52 PM

Annie, can you give the link to that particular video you mention? The latest one? There are a lot listed on YouTube, but none seem very recent.

fionna51 02-03-2013 07:12 PM

I hate ? to make myself an enabler, but the distress markers are a really good deal on Amazon. I got mine for about $70 but they've gone back up again. I put mine in my cart and watched the price. It went up and down really quickly.

http://www.amazon.com/Ranger-Distres...stress+markers

iamvics 02-03-2013 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Rachelrose (Post 19983263)
Annie, can you give the link to that particular video you mention? The latest one? There are a lot listed on YouTube, but none seem very recent.

Not Annie, but here's Tim's new video: Distress Marker Coloring - YouTube

Joan B 02-04-2013 03:50 AM

an inexpensive (in the long run) suggestion. a bit off topic...if you want to color larger areas without the expense of copics and get the non streaky look, use colored pencils and a CLEAR alcohol marker, such as a copic.

I got excellent results doing this. the marker will melt the crayon and then you can blend without tearing the paper.

Rachelrose 02-04-2013 04:42 AM

Thanks Vic - excellent video. It does make me want to go play with the Distress markers I have. I have a lot of Distress ink pads, so I can get a lot of variations of color.

But a different animal than, say, the SU markers, which don't react to water. I'm still wondering about the Mementos, because I have been so happy with the Tsukineko products I already have.

Joan, I wish I could use the method you describe. I can't use alcohol based markers.

cobby 02-04-2013 06:36 AM

Check out this thread: http://www.splitcoaststampers.com/fo...s-t556819.html

Sadly, it's not very encouraging about the Memento Markers but it does give an honest discussion of one stampers problems and the solution she found by getting the right paper.
Might be helpful to read.

annie* 02-04-2013 06:49 AM

Thanks, Vic for providing the link for me. I am going to have to go back and watch it again, because it was information-packed.

Rachelrose 02-04-2013 07:07 AM

Well, not really sadly, Mary, because I wanted to know. So thanks!

I am thinking that for what I want to do, Distress plus watercolor paper may be the best thing for me. They seem more blendy and forgiving, if you use the right paper. My biggest problem has been finding a smooth hot press paper to use. I have WC paper, but I find it hard to get a good stamp on the rough surface.

I've done all right with Prismas and mineral oil. (Not that I do any complex coloring.) You have to use the stumps from Taiwan and I have found that mineral oil works better than baby oil, go figure. But I do want a marker option. It just looks different.

Ellibelle 02-04-2013 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joan B (Post 19983821)
an inexpensive (in the long run) suggestion. a bit off topic...if you want to color larger areas without the expense of copics and get the non streaky look, use colored pencils and a CLEAR alcohol marker, such as a copic.

I got excellent results doing this. the marker will melt the crayon and then you can blend without tearing the paper.

Thanks for this tip Joan, I have a lot of copics but don't use them much because I get out of the line with them all the time. But I LOVE all my colored pencils and will try them out with my copic colorless blender.

cobby 02-04-2013 11:12 AM

@RachelRose: I have looked for smooth, hot press water color paper near me as well. It's not easy to find and it seems to be WAY more expensive besides. I struggle with the same issues you do. I want to use water color paper for some techniques because I know it will be the best; but I end up not liking the rough texture.

I did find this web site: http://www.dickblick.com/products/ac...tercolor-pads/
They have a small 6 x6 pad of 20 sheets that goes for $11.75. Currently out of stock but available on 2/12. That's not an awful price and if you use it for a smaller focal image then layer onto the card front it could last you awhile depending on how many cards you make! They have larger sizes available as you will see if you go there.

Good Luck!

Rachelrose 02-04-2013 01:13 PM

I looked at that same exact paper, Mary, I even threw the 9 X 4.5 pad in my cart, because the 6 X 6 was out of stock. But then I decided to go work with my markers before I spent any money.

I went and played with my Distress Markers - I have six of them - using 140 lb. Canson watercolor paper and the technique demonstrated by Tim on that video. I was able to get a decent black outline image using Versafine, even though it wasn't hot press paper. I don't have the water pens, so I used my brushes. I was very surprised that the paper started to pill up as I worked. It was a floral image, and I was not scrubbing at the paper or over working at all. It was disconcerting and frustrating.

I don't know what to think. But I can't imagine buying all the Distress Markers if I can't get a decent result using the few I have. Is it my paper?

sigh.

Valli 02-04-2013 04:47 PM

I love using Distress Markers with Specialty Stamping paper (http://rangerink.com/?product=inksse...stamping-paper)! One thing I learned from the videos: blot! Put color down with the marker, draw it out with a wet brush, and blot with a towel. After the area has had a few seconds to dry, if it needs more color, add some and blot again. It moves quickly, and there's no pilling of the paper.

I have used SU markers in conjunction with the Distress Markers. It works ok in small areas with not a lot of water. Gotta watch some colors, as they separate in water.

The SS paper is costly, but I don't use it for bases, and a pack lasts me a good while.

I love the great detail I get with the SS paper.

HeatherHolbrook 02-06-2013 05:14 AM

I've gotten several sets of markers from American Crafts at Michael's and like them a lot, they have a brush and bullet tip, not a huge color selection but they are nice and work well with the other water based markers I already have like Marvy.

binx 02-13-2013 04:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joan B (Post 19983821)
an inexpensive (in the long run) suggestion. a bit off topic...if you want to color larger areas without the expense of copics and get the non streaky look, use colored pencils and a CLEAR alcohol marker, such as a copic.

I got excellent results doing this. the marker will melt the crayon and then you can blend without tearing the paper.

great tip!

stamphappy1650 02-13-2013 04:40 AM

It's too bad you can't use alcohol markers because they are the best for blending with no streaks when using just a marker. I have several brands of water-based markers: SU, Distress, Tombow, Zig, Marvy, and a few others and they all work the same as they streak when coloring large areas.

I bought the Distress markers buying into the hype that they are different, IMHO they are no different than any other water based marker. I also bought the Specialty paper that gave much better results, but way to expensive to just to get a marker to perform.

I suggest using markers and a paintbrush or waterbrush and learn watercoloring techniques. You also need to experiment with different kinds of paper. I also suggest getting a smooth (Bristol) finish watercolor paper that will hold up to the water and gives you time to blend.

Another suggestion, is don't buy an entire set of any marker. There will be colors you never use.

eboyd 02-13-2013 04:42 AM

markers
 
I use Stampin up a lot but the Spectrum Noir are becoming a favorite. Can't afford Coptics either but Bitsey has a special for 89.00 every once in awhile for the distress markers. I may ask for some birthday money for this summer.

jeanne3579 02-13-2013 07:51 AM

I'm still "old school, as I like to limit the variety of supplies for the same technique, but not the colors. I learned in a class, way back when, how to blend with markers, I think at the time they were Tombow, and we used a blender pen. I get the same result with SU markers and a blender pen. If I want something more vibrant, I have Prisma crayons (which I seldom use). For watercolor, I always grab my stamp pads and aqua pen and use either regular card stock or watercolor paper. I don't do as much beautiful coloring as many here do, as I usually let the stamp do the work. Guess I'm just not a painter when it comes to stamps!

susanbri 02-14-2013 09:26 AM

I have quite a few Tombow markers which I bought when I first started stamping, and then last year I bought the entire set of Distress markers. I love them both. The Distress markers give me more muted colours which I like. Here's a photo of two identical cards I made to compare the Distress and Tombow markers when colouring directly onto the rubber stamp. The one on the left uses Distress markers and the one on the right, Tombow:

Five Stamp Thank You by susanbri - Cards and Paper Crafts at Splitcoaststampers

I haven't had any problems using either brand. I use them to either colour directly onto the stamp or to colour images on either PTI or Gina K cardstock (I prefer those brands over SU cardstock which I find too flimsy). If I want to use my waterbrush with them, I switch to watercolour paper.

Rachelrose 02-14-2013 09:41 AM

Both very lovely! Thank you for posting these, so I could see the difference.

I have not done much coloring onto stamps. I've just use different medium to color things in.

susanbri 02-14-2013 01:56 PM

Rachelrose, since you mostly colour things in, here are two of my recent cards, one coloured in with Tombows:

Daffodils for Bonnie by susanbri - Cards and Paper Crafts at Splitcoaststampers

and one coloured in with Distress markers:

Candy Canes and Holly by susanbri - Cards and Paper Crafts at Splitcoaststampers

I think the big difference I've noticed is that the Distress markers give a more muted colour (like old-fashioned house paint colours) while my Tombows give a brighter clearer colour. I like them both. I think the Stampin' Up and Memento markers are like the Tombow markers, while the Distress markers are more unique.

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Originally Posted by Rachelrose (Post 20005676)
Both very lovely! Thank you for posting these, so I could see the difference.

I have not done much coloring onto stamps. I've just use different medium to color things in.


Rachelrose 02-14-2013 02:33 PM

Both so pretty, Susan! I do like using the few Distress I have, but sometimes you want a really bright, saturated look. I only have the Neutrals in SU. And that's the extent of my marker collection. I'm getting some good feedback here, though. I'll look into the Tombows.

Rachelrose 02-15-2013 04:49 PM

I've been playing around with my few Distress markers and decided that's the way I want to go for now. The price on Amazon for the full set dropped from $86 to $75 so I ordered them. I know someone said not to order entire sets of markers because there will be ones you will never use, but I don't think that will be the case with Distress.

I have been frustrated and casting around for months for a medium I could use to color in those stamps I have that are outline stamps. I tried Prismas, but without Gamsol could not get the look I want. I tried painting things in with my Distress pads, but I have to say I don't really enjoy painting very much and I don't like having to always work on watercolor paper. Using a light hand, I can use the markers on good cardstock.

It really came down to getting realistic about what I want to do. I admire the highly blended Copic work people show here in the gallery, but I really don't need to be able to do it to produce cards in the style I favor.

Anyway, I'll start with the Distress. See where I go from there. You have all been very helpful. Thanks so much. I should have my markers by Tuesday.

babygirl-is-my-cat 02-24-2013 04:04 PM

thanks for all the post, too i've learned several things!!!!

Cinnistew 02-24-2013 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joan B (Post 19983821)
an inexpensive (in the long run) suggestion. a bit off topic...if you want to color larger areas without the expense of copics and get the non streaky look, use colored pencils and a CLEAR alcohol marker, such as a copic.

I got excellent results doing this. the marker will melt the crayon and then you can blend without tearing the paper.

Wow... I never thought of trying that... thanks for the tip! Time to go play! :)


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