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Interesting side note: Did you know that the price of the Copic Ciao markers (from oozak.com) work out to the same price per marker as the SU markers? Tis true. A set of 72 Ciao markers from oozak.com is $190 with free shipping. The SU set of 48 is $126, plus shipping and tax. Which actually makes them a bit more expensive per marker. Just a thought, for those of you trying to justify purchasing Copics. I'm not sure of the price-per-marker for the Copic Originals or Sketch markers--is probably a bit higher but still, to discover the prices were so close was a pleasant surprise. Now that people are starting to discover Copic colors that are close matches to the SU colors, it makes even more sense to switch. Hope I've enabled someone today!
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Copic addiction is a serious problem they need to come with a warning label:

Caution: However many Copic markers you have are still not enough. They are highly addictive and will make you feel creatively better each time you use them. Do not color on an empty stomach (it jiggles too much and will be hard to color). Take with a glass of water (anything stronger will keep you awake and coloring longer).

Consult your LSS if you notice any of the following symptoms: Desire for more colors. Dryness of marker. Need for more stamps to color. Friends to tell about your addiction. Loss of appetite or sleep due to excessive coloring.
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My very first order (from carpedium ) came yesterday. I'll be messing around with them today after I get some errands and chores done. Can't wait!

(I'm on a slippery slope, aren't I? Gina K's is right in my backyard... LOL!)
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On the jelly roll pens, I have a few but can't get them to work. I can see the ink in the tube, but it's like it's all dried up. Any suggestions. Also, I need a good "white" pen to add highlights. What would I use?
Haven't had any trouble with ink drying up and some I've had for years.
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... it makes even more sense to switch.
Did you say SWITCH?? Does anyone on SCS ever actually SWITCH anything?? Haha...I have to have both! I only use my SU markers for coloring portions of stamps...but I need them all! LOL

What is the price on Ciao now? They were $2.63 each at Oozak...and Sketch were $3.90 (compared to SU with WI Tax and Shipping those were only 13 cents more for me).

I thought I would have all the Copics I needed when I was at about 75 - if I only ordered a half-dozen more.

Haha...that was a joke...LOL...I am now over 150, still finding *just a half-dozen more* I would like!!
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I feel like we have our own personal Copic consultant with Marianne on here...LOL

Marianne....I hope you know that you are very appreciated!
Personally I am thrilled to read all of Marianne's insights. I am trying to read her entire Blog because it is full of great information. I love that she is teaching ART as well as how to use the copics.

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Copic addiction is a serious problem they need to come with a warning label:

Caution: However many Copic markers you have are still not enough. They are highly addictive and will make you feel creatively better each time you use them. Do not color on an empty stomach (it jiggles too much and will be hard to color). Take with a glass of water (anything stronger will keep you awake and coloring longer).

Consult your LSS if you notice any of the following symptoms: Desire for more colors. Dryness of marker. Need for more stamps to color. Friends to tell about your addiction. Loss of appetite or sleep due to excessive coloring.
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Copic addiction is a serious problem they need to come with a warning label:

Caution: However many Copic markers you have are still not enough. They are highly addictive and will make you feel creatively better each time you use them. Do not color on an empty stomach (it jiggles too much and will be hard to color). Take with a glass of water (anything stronger will keep you awake and coloring longer).

Consult your LSS if you notice any of the following symptoms: Desire for more colors. Dryness of marker. Need for more stamps to color. Friends to tell about your addiction. Loss of appetite or sleep due to excessive coloring.

ROTFL!!!

Yeah ... problem here .... NO LSS in my neck of the woods.
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We'll need to meet half way at Dick Blick's in Roswell.....


Marianne; think Atlanta for one of your classes!!!! North side, by the Mall of Ga.! and don't listen to Shell when she says south side! LOL!!!
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Marianne; think Atlanta for one of your classes!!!! North side, by the Mall of Ga.! and don't listen to Shell when she says south side! LOL!!!

Yes, that would be good.




Noooooooooooooooooooooo!!! WEST side. Please!!! Those of us on this side of town need a LOT more help than those on the other side. My closest LSS is an hour away (but I'd go there for Marianne's class!!!!!!!).
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Bahahahaha!
I've been trying to get Shell up my way for 3 years now. Just crunch the numbers & pick where the most action is.....and if you need any help on site after you pick Gwinnett County, just let me know!


Shell, you can stay at my house if ya want.
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I've been trying to get Shell up my way for 3 years now. Just crunch the numbers & pick where the most action is.....and if you need any help on site after you pick Gwinnett County, just let me know!


Shell, you can stay at my house if ya want.

LOL!!! Get Marianne over that way, and you have a deal!
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love ya, Shell!


and now back to your regularly scheduled chat!
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Noooooooooooooooooooooo!!! WEST side. Please!!! Those of us on this side of town need a LOT more help than those on the other side. My closest LSS is an hour away (but I'd go there for Marianne's class!!!!!!!).
You guys are killing me! If she was in the next STATE, I'd go... certainly any of you can drive across town... and don't use the "it's a BIG city" argument, I live in Wisconsin (which is a bit of a hike to anywhere in Georgia).
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On the jelly roll pens, I have a few but can't get them to work. I can see the ink in the tube, but it's like it's all dried up. Any suggestions. Also, I need a good "white" pen to add highlights. What would I use?
For the stardust pens, you can heat the tip a bit with your heat gun (and moisten it a bit as well). That helped me when they had been in storage for a while...
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Ok so been playing during little one's nap and I'm having same Q (above) re: shading/blending and have been reading Marianne's blog but not all way thru yet. I was playing with the cute elephant from Craft Lounge which in their pic is colored in grey/light purple ones. My main Q.. when something feathers out to almost whitish - is it truly? or just a lighter color underneath? I have about 100 markers but this was prob the wrong example to play with cause my selection of purples/greys is not great.

This is the set I'm referring to:

http://www.ourcraftlounge.net/Crafty...a-Nut_p_4.html

and many of the items/examples on their home page feature really great background blending. As it turned out, I used the wrong paper (ink too but was hoping it would work). and combo of both, caused bleeding when I used the colorless blender (sigh... cause I was still gonna use it even if I wasnt thrilled with results.. itching to make a card!). Any thoughts much appreciated. I will try using just one color as you suggested Cher. Thanks so much.. Lovin' this thread!

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And one more Q, now that I'd like to fill in some of those colors I'm missing. We dont really need to buy every color right? We could buy every few and then just go over a few times to get a darker effect right? And Cher, thanks so much for sharing the link to that chart. It helps a ton. As it is, I inadvertently ordered 5 that are dups and need to either sell or return. So this will be great when ordering in future.. Thanks again
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I'm not sure if this has been asked already. I am a Copic Virgin...I see that images are outlined outside the blackline which really looks nice...can anyone tell me which Copic this is? I really like the effect and would like to try it but I can't find it on any blogs...maybe it's one of those questions that everybody already knows...sorry I have no clue about these...love the effect but I want to start with this...

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ooh ooh ooh I have a question sort of in the same vein (about border effects)!

I've seen stamped, colored images that are cut out with a tiny border of the (usually white) background paper showing. These are usually pop-dotted to the card. It looks fabulous! Is there a tutorial or tip page for how this is done; type of scissors, color then stamp or stamp then color, what not to do, etc.?
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I see that images are outlined outside the blackline which really looks nice...can anyone tell me which Copic this is?
The one I use the most often for this is N0 (neutral gray, very light so no fussing about blending it out). But it depends what kind of effect you want and what you are coloring (e.g., BG000 was underneath the snowballs on my holiday cards, which had a penguin juggling snowballs). Look at the very light shades you have to see what might be good, but you definitely need a light gray if you don't already have one, and more grays are even better! Hahaha! Like we all didn't know that!!!! Seriously though, you do want some light grey options for shadows, and I personally think the neutral is the most versatile. Marianne's blog has great shadow info that for me is very much a work in progress but if you have a shadow pooling at the bottom of an image, I think it still makes the image look better even if it's not technically correct given how you shadowed the rest of your image.

To cut things out, I color first, then cut using very sharp detail scissors. Remember to think about whether you can turn your work, instead of the scissors, for curves, etc. You can stamp your image on your base and then again, and cut only a portion of the spare image to pop up, or do even more layers.

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And shame on me.....I went to Hobby Lobby yesterday and bought seven more Copics! My collection just keeps growing....
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Full of Q's the past few days.. Marianne, others, would anyone know if these markers are easily available, less costly in Japan/other Asian countries? I have a friend traveling to Korea in a few days and another stationed there and was just wondering? I'd love to go into one of those comic shops where they feature all the Manga artwork.. Also, sorry (little OT here )... is the Pokemon character/card game considered Manga (I was thinking it was)... even tho I dont really know what I'm doing , having so much fun with these markers !!

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My dad got 2 sets of 36 Ciao markers in Japan... he refused to let me pay for the one I asked him to get me so I'm not sure of the exact pricing, but when I first asked him to get me a set, I think after exchange it worked out to around $80 CAN per box. He ordered from Amazon Japan, which I would assume is cheaper than buying in store somewhere. Maybe Amazon.jp can ship to Korea for fairly cheap? My dad's brother lives in Japan so my dad ordered here (in Canada) online, and had it shipped for free to his brother.

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Is there a rule of thumb as when to use a cool gray vs. a warm gray?

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Depends on the tone you would like.

Warm gray is more like dirt with a brown tint...cool gray is a pure black/white mix.
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Flesh tone advise needed: I have some wonderful colors now for coloring fair skinned old ladies and Scandanavian kids, but what colors might you recommend for olive toned, tanned, and/or darker skin tones? Goin' for a multi-cultural spectrum here. Any recommendations? TIA
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http://ilikemarkers.blogspot.com/200...rs-part-1.html

Again, this is from Marianne's Blog. A fairly good examples of Skin combinations.
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love this thread - now you have me thinking which ones I need....
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For anyone who owns any toner grays... what do you think? I tested one today, and it seems to be a slightly warmed version of the neutral gray. I can see the difference side by side when I look closely, but it's not a big difference. Is it enough to warrant a purchase of a few? I have 48 markers, so there are still plenty of things on the wish list (of course, from this thread, I know you can have 148 & still have a wish list! ).

I was intrigued by the idea that I could use them over a color to add shadow, but now I wonder if I should just try with my Ns.

Just wanted to know how much these get used, and for what.

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I tried searching Marianne's blog but couldn't find an answer. It's probably a dumb question but here goes: I just got copics and am slowly learning. I really like using them. One of my problems, though, is when I want to put grass, etc., under an image. It was pretty easy with prisma pencils but with the copic sketch markers, it seems too heavy. Any advice would be wonderful.
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To cut things out, I color first, then cut using very sharp detail scissors. Remember to think about whether you can turn your work, instead of the scissors, for curves, etc. You can stamp your image on your base and then again, and cut only a portion of the spare image to pop up, or do even more layers.

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Thank you for that info!
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Very reasonable question! What colors are you using?? My best advice would be to start with something light and then add something in the medium range towards the edges of your tufts to add dimension, and then blend with light or reapply your light or medium shade, or even add a third darker shade and blend. I find I do better with freehand stuff like grass by adding the deeper shades to something light. If you think about it, it's similar to using pencils where you build color as you scribble your grass. So short answer, is I bet you are starting with a grass color, and at least for me, I can't get it to come out how I want if I do that. For what it's worth, that is how I do it!

Speaking of which, Marianne, if you see this, I *love* your recommendation for G85 for foliage, I got it today and it's clearly going to get a lot of use! Thanks!!!

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http://ilikemarkers.blogspot.com/200...rs-part-1.html

Again, this is from Marianne's Blog. A fairly good examples of Skin combinations.
Exactly what I was looking for! Thank you (now I need to go get about 36 more markers...LOL!)
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Very reasonable question! What colors are you using?? My best advice would be to start with something light and then add something in the medium range towards the edges of your tufts to add dimension, and then blend with light or reapply your light or medium shade, or even add a third darker shade and blend. I find I do better with freehand stuff like grass by adding the deeper shades to something light. If you think about it, it's similar to using pencils where you build color as you scribble your grass. So short answer, is I bet you are starting with a grass color, and at least for me, I can't get it to come out how I want if I do that. For what it's worth, that is how I do it!

Speaking of which, Marianne, if you see this, I *love* your recommendation for G85 for foliage, I got it today and it's clearly going to get a lot of use! Thanks!!!

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Yes, I am starting with a grass color, but I don't have many colors and I don't know what light colors I would use. Don't have a very "light" green.
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Old 01-10-2009, 07:41 PM   #274
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Another question by you copic pros: I've been coloring images that I've gotten from wishrak that are not using copic ink. I'm just being very careful and so far it's working. Am I going to be sorry later, like will it all bleed or something?
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Darn I have read this forum over twice and I know somewhere was a chart comparing copics to SU. Can someone help me out.
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Another question by you copic pros: I've been coloring images that I've gotten from wishrak that are not using copic ink. I'm just being very careful and so far it's working. Am I going to be sorry later, like will it all bleed or something?
Susan, we must be at the same place on the copic learning curve! I have been doing the same thing, and now started wishing for "copic" ink... I wonder if I'll have to make two wishes for everything, just to keep my prismas (pencils) happy, too (or do you think gamsol will behave with memento?)...

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Susan, we must be at the same place on the copic learning curve! I have been doing the same thing, and now started wishing for "copic" ink... I wonder if I'll have to make two wishes for everything, just to keep my prismas (pencils) happy, too (or do you think gamsol will behave with memento?)...

I've no idea. I heard it would make the memento bleed so you'll just have to try it. I've been in wishrak alot longer than you have and I have TONS of images that will work with my pencils, but I'm really liking copic. It's quicker too than having to keep using the gamsol. At least for me, unless I'm doing something wrong. I just started wishing for everything copic now, but I'm still using some of the images I have. Most are okay unless I soak the paper to much with the copics.
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Just a little info here that might help some people. If you have VersaFine ink, you can stamp the image and emboss with DETAIL CLEAR EP and use Copics. Do not use any metallic EP because the alcohol in the Copics "eats away at the EP.

Only the CLEAR EP will work.

VersaFine comes in several colors, but their black one is called Onyx Black. Most people seem to stamp in black, that's why I mention the name.

Hope this helps!
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Darn I have read this forum over twice and I know somewhere was a chart comparing copics to SU. Can someone help me out.
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It's here just scroll look at the 2nd post.
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Yes, I am starting with a grass color, but I don't have many colors and I don't know what light colors I would use. Don't have a very "light" green.
What you can try if you do not have a light green or light YG to use as a base is swiping your green onto your colorless blender (or maybe some sort of light yellow?) and using that, and then adding green from your green marker and blending with your blender pen again as necessary. You can swipe the blender on scratch paper, and it will be fine. This is very helpful in terms of blending and making your colors go farther. You can also use the green you have, if it's not too dark, and then add shadows with the same marker. The second coat will give you the equivalent of the next marker in the family. You could also use a Copic-safe black pen to doodle your grass tufts and then go over them with your green and add a second coat as needed, to use a single color. The doodled base will give you nice definition. I'm sure others are far more sophisticated than I am for this, but those are my thoughts for what they're worth!
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