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Old 03-26-2009, 11:29 AM   #2161
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great card lynn! love the background!
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Thank you. I've been looking at that site today at the black and grey bits and cards and ink. I think my head is overwhelmed as alot of it is amazingly helpful and I get the grey bit now, but re: cards and ink I found I was still confused. (No hope for me).

Versamark seems to be Ok when embossed and some people think Whisper White is OK but being coated it may not work very well. The papertrey which i thought everyone recommended may be too thick-that's good really as shipping to the UK is SO expensive! Phew! Can I do Whisper White or would another white uncoated card be OK?

Do the little memento ink pads work-the ones like the colorbox chalks size? Is black tuxedo the one? I think i can get one of these you see.

I shall stick with the few i've already ordered-and see what they are like when they arrive. Can I be a pain and ask a couple more things?

Am i right in understanding that if I say get (just making numbers and letters up here) A56 and A57 and A59-they would blend? If I wanted to keep to the same colour range-ie pastels, I would need to get colours with the same numbers so say R56, 57 and 59 and Y56, 57 and 59? They would all look good together as similar shades so to speak?

Am i better off getting the 00, 02 and say 03 of each colour then to start? So in blue, red, yellow, grey etc? Would that be best for a beginner-start light, they'd blend as near to each other but not be too bold and hard to control?

I am sorry for being a bore here, I can't work this out myself and even with blogs I still am getting it wrong. Once I've got the basics I can probably see for myself what i need to fill the gaps but I really want to get the basics that will cover my needs so i don't lose hope and any remaining confidence i may have!
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Ok I have a picture attached where I used R20 along with R27 and R29 on her shirt. Hope that helps!
I know I used E25 and E27 on the dog, but I also went over it with a yellow for highlights, and I think E33 for a lighter brown.
You can also use a light gray (last number 1 or 2) to shade a color darker. There is a tutorial on ilikemarkers that shows exactly how something would look. It changes the color a tad, and makes it look shaded. Actually, I did this on the fence--I don't know if you can see it, but it's slightly darker where she's sitting, where the crosspieces join, etc.--I used a warm gray there (I think in this case it was a 4 because the brown was dark already)

For hair, I read another thread and Julie made some suggestions, and that's what I bought: Y21 plus YR21 for blonde, E25 plus E27 for brown, with a red for highlights. If you look back at my previous posts in this thread, you'll see those colors used.

Finally, for the ink and paper you'll just have to try it. SU WW doesn't work that well though (hard to blend) but there are plenty of other papers that do work. I haven't tried Versamark, but do you mean Versafine Archival Onyx Black? If so, that does work as long as you heat set it or let it dry a long time first.

Ooops, sorry, i always calls versafine, Versamark-stupid me. I will give it a go-all i have at the moment that will be OK.

You are being so kind. Your card's amazing, so pretty. Your card and your colouring is everything I long to do with Copics, it's why I continue to struggle to understand and annoy you all! This is what i want to be able to do-you are helping me so much to get at least a chance to try and have a go. Thanks for all the help-the colours relating to the card really help and thanks for the hair info too. You have been a great help and endlessly patient. Thank you.
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Just wanted to subscribe...I consider my coloring pretty good, but I haven't done any kind of certification or anything. It's always great to pick up new things here or there!!!
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Thank you. I've been looking at that site today at the black and grey bits and cards and ink. I think my head is overwhelmed as alot of it is amazingly helpful and I get the grey bit now, but re: cards and ink I found I was still confused. (No hope for me).

Versamark seems to be Ok when embossed yes! even my daughter's washable black ink works, so there are several that will doand some people think Whisper White is OK but being coated it may not work very well It's usable, just harder to blend, so for a newbie you might want to try something else...can you get Neenah or Georgia Pacific there?. The papertrey which i thought everyone recommended may be too thick-that's good really as shipping to the UK is SO expensive! Phew! Can I do Whisper White or would another white uncoated card be OK?

Do the little memento ink pads work-the ones like the colorbox chalks size? Is black tuxedo the one? I think i can get one of these you see. oh yes, Memento ink is the same in the pad or the little cat's eye size

I shall stick with the few i've already ordered-and see what they are like when they arrive. Can I be a pain and ask a couple more things?

Am i right in understanding that if I say get (just making numbers and letters up here) A56 and A57 and A59-they would blend? yes If I wanted to keep to the same colour range-ie pastels, I would need to get colours with the same numbers so say R56, 57 and 59 and Y56, 57 and 59? They would all look good together as similar shades so to speak? I'm not sure about this...the first number refers to the shade but I'm not sure the two color families are going to necessarily be the same, KWIM? perhaps someone else knows this one

Am i better off getting the 00, 02 and say 03 of like & use the mostwell it's confusing but in SOME color families there is actually a lighter shade than the "00!" but in general, you could do this in the colors you'd use the most--except I'd say 04 not 03 So in blue, red, yellow, grey etc? Would that be best for a beginner-start light, they'd blend as near to each other but not be too bold and hard to control?

I am sorry for being a bore here, I can't work this out myself and even with blogs I still am getting it wrong. Once I've got the basics I can probably see for myself what i need to fill the gaps but I really want to get the basics that will cover my needs so i don't lose hope and any remaining confidence i may have!
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Here is a card that I made when I first started with copics. I was still having trouble with the blender pen and shading, but you can see the colors. I used E08 for the flowerpot.
wow, gorgeous card!
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This will help explain it a little clearer. I'd keep a larger number difference on the last digit to get a range of colors that will blend. Colors that are only one number off won't show much difference, especially when blended.

http://ilikemarkers.blogspot.com/200...-families.html

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Thank you. I've been looking at that site today at the black and grey bits and cards and ink. I think my head is overwhelmed as alot of it is amazingly helpful and I get the grey bit now, but re: cards and ink I found I was still confused. (No hope for me).

Versamark seems to be Ok when embossed and some people think Whisper White is OK but being coated it may not work very well. The papertrey which i thought everyone recommended may be too thick-that's good really as shipping to the UK is SO expensive! Phew! Can I do Whisper White or would another white uncoated card be OK?

Do the little memento ink pads work-the ones like the colorbox chalks size? Is black tuxedo the one? I think i can get one of these you see.

I shall stick with the few i've already ordered-and see what they are like when they arrive. Can I be a pain and ask a couple more things?

Am i right in understanding that if I say get (just making numbers and letters up here) A56 and A57 and A59-they would blend? If I wanted to keep to the same colour range-ie pastels, I would need to get colours with the same numbers so say R56, 57 and 59 and Y56, 57 and 59? They would all look good together as similar shades so to speak?

Am i better off getting the 00, 02 and say 03 of each colour then to start? So in blue, red, yellow, grey etc? Would that be best for a beginner-start light, they'd blend as near to each other but not be too bold and hard to control?

I am sorry for being a bore here, I can't work this out myself and even with blogs I still am getting it wrong. Once I've got the basics I can probably see for myself what i need to fill the gaps but I really want to get the basics that will cover my needs so i don't lose hope and any remaining confidence i may have!
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You are all so kind to me thank you. I must be wearing you out! I have a law degree and getting that was easier than understanding Copics!! The trouble is they're so rarely used here in the UK that no one knows much about them so it's hard to get any info. I will have a good read and I think I'm finally getting somewhere in my head! The excitement is coming back and I'm feeling a bit more ooo! inside!

Cardstock remains a problem though. I don't think I can get any of those mentioned, i heard the Copic paper is very thin so wouldn't it be OK to matt onto cards as it may be all I can use other than trying Whisper White. To get papertrey to deliver the minimum weight is something like $25 just for shipping. It's too expensive especially as card is costly so shipping several packs would be even more. Will run of the mill card-even cardblanks cut up not work-think I'll have to try as per the blogs i've seen.

Thank you as ever.
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Here is a card that I made when I first started with copics. I was still having trouble with the blender pen and shading, but you can see the colors. I used E08 for the flowerpot.
That is a STUNNING card! Great job on the flower pots!
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Thank you for all the advice Lynn. You raised a good point. If i'm not going to use them tonnes maybe I should get the ciao. i'll never be able to afford to buys lots-say 100 or so, so maybe the limited colour in ciao wouldn't matter. the inks the same in each, just need to check if the ciao nibs are Ok.

I wonder if that's the way.I can get more then quicker and as I'll be forever an amateur maybe Ciao are for me?

I read on people's blogs that they use all three kinds so if i decide i really love them i can switch over to the Sketch anyway, but I can't see me ever using the spray and maybe the Ciao offer me better value and a better way of trying Copics per se?

Lynn you've made me think and I think I'll try the Ciao first at least. I can get a few and see, thanks for the colour comments too. I see that you need at least 3 to blend though still not certain how near they need to be in numbers say if you get A11, do you then get A12 and A13 or jump the 2/3 numbers I've read about? Sometimes say A11 is very pale and A14 seems alot different and you can't imagine blending them. The E11 scares me as it looks dark but i've read it used many times for skin so will reply on expert advice! If they do these in the Ciao of course-off to have a look.

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I went with Ciao too. I can't ever see needing over 300 colours and I figure if there is the odd Sketch that is just the right colour I can get one or two.
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anyone interested in a copic class at this stamp store http://www.inkspotofnatalie.com/ in kirkwood, MO on sat, april 18th or sat, april 25th? cost is $25 and you just need to have your own supply of markers...about 20...with shading options. she will set up a class if we have at least 4 people. PM me!
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I actually made a card where my angel has black hair, but it was made with a few of my Cool Gray Copics. It's mainly just an illusion of black, not actually using the colour black. Here is the link, or I have attached a photo of it: http://www.splitcoaststampers.com/ga...0&ppuser=95536

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That is AWESOME "black" hair! Great job!
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You are all so kind to me thank you. I must be wearing you out! I have a law degree and getting that was easier than understanding Copics!! The trouble is they're so rarely used here in the UK that no one knows much about them so it's hard to get any info. I will have a good read and I think I'm finally getting somewhere in my head! The excitement is coming back and I'm feeling a bit more ooo! inside!

Cardstock remains a problem though. I don't think I can get any of those mentioned, i heard the Copic paper is very thin so wouldn't it be OK to matt onto cards as it may be all I can use other than trying Whisper White. To get papertrey to deliver the minimum weight is something like $25 just for shipping. It's too expensive especially as card is costly so shipping several packs would be even more. Will run of the mill card-even cardblanks cut up not work-think I'll have to try as per the blogs i've seen.

Thank you as ever.
You're very welcome! Your British accent comes through even on paper, so polite
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You can do with SU whisper white, just keep in mind if you don't like it that maybe you should try a different paper before you give up on Copics
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I actually made a card where my angel has black hair, but it was made with a few of my Cool Gray Copics. It's mainly just an illusion of black, not actually using the colour black. Here is the link, or I have attached a photo of it: http://www.splitcoaststampers.com/ga...0&ppuser=95536

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She's gorgeous. You did a great job on her hair and it really looks black.
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I use Papertrey white card stock and Memento Tuxedo Black ink.

A great tip I got from someone here (sorry I can't remember who) was to use Versafine Onyx Black ink and detail CLEAR EP to help from going outside the lines when coloring. It works very well and it looks really pretty!

** For some reason (I do not know why), it is the metallic EP that causes problems but not the CLEAR!

I am storing mine HORIZONTALLY because I read here that someone is having a problem with one end drying out. I am not taking any chances. These "babies" are just too expensive to fool around with! LOL!

www.oozak.com has GOT to be the ABSOLUTE BEST source for purchasing Copics. They have the cheapest prices I have found, the shipping is so fast that is amazing! They so very nice to deal with. My computer would not allow me to check out on the site ( even the guy from oozak did not know why and he talked me throught the steps and it still didn't work!), so he took my order over the phone. He told me it would ship that same day and it got to my home in 1 day! They are in Michigan and I am in NJ!

*True, I know they sell out FAST with many colors but if you can get them, they are worth buying at Oozak.

*** PLUS, FREE shipping with a $50 order!!
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I have the chart from COPICmarkerS.com that shows the colors in the different sets but is there a chart that shows the colors in the different *families*?...on this one I have to look at each *set* for the lets say RV12 and then RV 17 may be in the other set...hope it's not too confusing..

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I have the chart from COPICmarkerS.com that shows the colors in the different sets but is there a chart that shows the colors in the different *families*?...on this one I have to look at each *set* for the lets say RV12 and then RV 17 may be in the other set...hope it's not too confusing..

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Yes, there's one that has all of the Sketch marker colors, arranged by color families. But I'm not sure where I got that one...maybe I can attach it.
There's also the "wheel" in the "library" that shows how close they are to each other...
http://www.copicmarker.com/updated%2...%20VERSION.pdf

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You are all so kind to me thank you. I must be wearing you out! I have a law degree and getting that was easier than understanding Copics!! The trouble is they're so rarely used here in the UK that no one knows much about them so it's hard to get any info. I will have a good read and I think I'm finally getting somewhere in my head! The excitement is coming back and I'm feeling a bit more ooo! inside!

Cardstock remains a problem though. I don't think I can get any of those mentioned, i heard the Copic paper is very thin so wouldn't it be OK to matt onto cards as it may be all I can use other than trying Whisper White. To get papertrey to deliver the minimum weight is something like $25 just for shipping. It's too expensive especially as card is costly so shipping several packs would be even more. Will run of the mill card-even cardblanks cut up not work-think I'll have to try as per the blogs i've seen.

Thank you as ever.
If you want to see some specific colors used on an image, Candice Lighty (for MFT stamps) has done some--for example, using E00 E02 and E11 on skin. I don't have a link but you might be able to find her through MFT's website
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Yes, there's one that has all of the Sketch marker colors, arranged by color families. But I'm not sure where I got that one...maybe I can attach it.
There's also the "wheel" in the "library" that shows how close they are to each other...
http://www.copicmarker.com/updated%2...%20VERSION.pdf

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Hi, Lynn!....I wou9ld like the one arranged by families...I think you have my email addy....I'm out of black ink right now for my printer so there is no rush.. would you believe I am up to 39 and have 36 more coming in a trade...it was only a couple of weeks ago when we swapped images and I only had a few...whew!

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Hi, Lynn!....I wou9ld like the one arranged by families...I think you have my email addy....I'm out of black ink right now for my printer so there is no rush.. would you believe I am up to 39 and have 36 more coming in a trade...it was only a couple of weeks ago when we swapped images and I only had a few...whew!

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Are you talking about the one already filled out, or the one you put your own swatches into? The one already filled out is HUGE, and the colors won't be exact, either...so I wouldn't even bother printing it. But maybe you're talking about the other one?
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A couple of mine, not cards just images...
I only posted Cruiseabella to show the trouble I have with sky! too too dark, so I used the blender but still too dark
CE is on the windshield (and Riley's glasses), silver pen on the chrome areas, and white gel pen on the white part of the car (and to highlight the apple, glasses).
I like how Tractor Riley's face turned out, but it seems like I did the same thing on the other ones and it didn't look the same! I'm wondering if it's because it's slightly larger so there's more room to blend...or maybe it's just me! LOL I used Bics on the tractor itself to get the darker colors, which I haven't received yet in Copics
I know this post was awhile ago, but maybe you still lurk here....what browns are you using for riley? the one's recommended on the hanna site? or others? thanks.
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I'm still lurking I'm not 100% positive about all of them, because I didn't write them down, but I'm pretty sure I used E25 on the furry parts plus a lighter one, like E33. I think I started with a creamy tone (Prismacolor marker Cream) in the very light spots. On the antlers I think I went with more of the E31 blended with E25 and maybe a light gray, to make it different from the fur. I don't recall if that's what's recommended on the Hannah site, it's just the browns I have!
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Here is Oozak's chart. I like it better than the one on the copic markers website because it doesn't explain the numbers on the side, so it has a bigger area to color in with your own color. I thought I'd add it here so I don't lose it. I couldn't find it the other day when I was looking to print it off again. So I hope it helps someone besides me.
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Here is Oozak's chart. I like it better than the one on the copic markers website because it doesn't explain the numbers on the side, so it has a bigger area to color in with your own color. I thought I'd add it here so I don't lose it. I couldn't find it the other day when I was looking to print it off again. So I hope it helps someone besides me.
oooh, that IS nicer, thanks! Oozak has the BIG one (9 Mb, I think) with all the colors filled out on it, too.
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My first few Copics have arrived!!

Oh, gosh, what can i say? They're so soft and full of colour-I LOVE them already!

I decided not to fret anymore and just to have a go-albeit with only a very few. I've just coloured in an image and it looks so lovely-not blening even yet, just playing but the colours are gorgeous. I worried I'd made a mistake getting the Dark brown for hair but even with nothing else the blending pen relly helps lift colour and make the hair look different along with layers of colour elsewhere.

I used a versafine image that had dried overnight but there is a slight bleed so I'm off to try and find a memento black or at least clear emboss my versafine in future.

I can't wait to get more colours and learn to blend-trouble is I'm only on dialup and can'
t see all the videos on Youtube etc. Do you colour in the light colours then add the dark or vice versa-presumably light then dark. Do you then use your lighter colour copic to draw the darker colour into the lighter area if you see what i mean? Is is circles or sweeping strokes?

I'm going to have so much fun today and only got a few-wait til I really get going!! I do want to get more so will try and follow the guidance and get lighter colours but say 3/4 gaps between each pen-sometimes there's a massive jump in colour though from say a pale pink then 3 colours up it's very bright-does the 3/4 number rule cover ALL the colours even the darker ones please?

Thanks-I wouldn't have got this far without all of you! You've been great.
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I wanted one already filled in but if it's not going to be worth printing off...too big then nah..lol....I'll just use what I have.....

I have the one to fill in and love being able to fill in the little spaces...have already found a few that are WAY tooo similiar that I could probably trade them off....but not until I get the ones from the trade I did in the mail....

thanks everyone for your help and I'm going to go check out the other one mentioned...
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My first few Copics have arrived!!

Oh, gosh, what can i say? They're so soft and full of colour-I LOVE them already!

I decided not to fret anymore and just to have a go-albeit with only a very few. I've just coloured in an image and it looks so lovely-not blening even yet, just playing but the colours are gorgeous. I worried I'd made a mistake getting the Dark brown for hair but even with nothing else the blending pen relly helps lift colour and make the hair look different along with layers of colour elsewhere.

I used a versafine image that had dried overnight but there is a slight bleed so I'm off to try and find a memento black or at least clear emboss my versafine in future.

I can't wait to get more colours and learn to blend-trouble is I'm only on dialup and can'
t see all the videos on Youtube etc. Do you colour in the light colours then add the dark or vice versa-presumably light then dark. Do you then use your lighter colour copic to draw the darker colour into the lighter area if you see what i mean? Is is circles or sweeping strokes?

I'm going to have so much fun today and only got a few-wait til I really get going!! I do want to get more so will try and follow the guidance and get lighter colours but say 3/4 gaps between each pen-sometimes there's a massive jump in colour though from say a pale pink then 3 colours up it's very bright-does the 3/4 number rule cover ALL the colours even the darker ones please?

Thanks-I wouldn't have got this far without all of you! You've been great.
yay! I'm glad you got them and like them! On the Versafine, it's strange but sometimes that happens to me (it bleeds) but many times it does not. Did you heat set it? That helps.

I understand being on dialup, I just went DSL this year when I enrolled dd in an online school! It does help to see the videos, but some blogs mentioned here do have photos and words...I have read both ways (light first then dark, and dark first then light), but the key is going over the juncture with the lighter color, I think. You want to use little circles from what I've read. Again, no expert here...
I'd go with a 2/3 gap rather than 3/4, unless you are going to use the tip to tip or palette techniques for blending. And, that rule does not cover all of the color groups. You are right, some of them seem to be a bigger jump than others. My feeling is what happens, is that the undertones come out more in the more saturated colors, and you don't always see them in the lighter ones. So, a pale red looks like pink but then when it's a number 6 it looks more like purple (just a hypothetical example). The biggest help to me was Cjbapp's chart with actual swatches and/or asking others if they could see a difference, as I got a few that weren't what I was expecting. In the blues, for example, I thought mine were greener than I expected until someone sent me some actual swatches, so I could see which one was closer to my desired shade.
sorry if that didn't really help! If there's something in particular you are looking for, I think the ladies and gentlemen here will try to help if they have that shade!
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I wanted one already filled in but if it's not going to be worth printing off...too big then nah..lol....I'll just use what I have.....

I have the one to fill in and love being able to fill in the little spaces...have already found a few that are WAY tooo similiar that I could probably trade them off....but not until I get the ones from the trade I did in the mail....

thanks everyone for your help and I'm going to go check out the other one mentioned...
This one prints on 3 pages, but with small areas of each color...
http://www.copicmarker.com/color_chart_sketch.pdf

For similarity, I think the wheel is helpful because you can see if they are touching (corners or right next to each other), they will be similar. I don't know if that eliminates ALL duplicates but it helps, I think, and if there's a particular one you're wondering about otherwise you could ask here or try the copic similarities thread!
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oooh, that IS nicer, thanks! Oozak has the BIG one (9 Mb, I think) with all the colors filled out on it, too.

I live the blank one at Oozak better when I get some ink..lol...but how do you find the charts on the oozak website???...I can't find any of them...I wanted to look at the big one ??...thanks

WHOOPS, CROSS POSTING....LOL
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Lynn, I noticed you mentioned:

The biggest help to me was Cjbapp's chart with actual swatches

????....thanks
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Here is Oozak's chart. I like it better than the one on the copic markers website because it doesn't explain the numbers on the side, so it has a bigger area to color in with your own color. I thought I'd add it here so I don't lose it. I couldn't find it the other day when I was looking to print it off again. So I hope it helps someone besides me.
Cool, thanks for sharing!
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I live the blank one at Oozak better when I get some ink..lol...but how do you find the charts on the oozak website???...I can't find any of them...I wanted to look at the big one ??...thanks

WHOOPS, CROSS POSTING....LOL
I couldn't find them either! Before, Rusty posted a link directly to them (somewhere in this giant thread!)...I did post the link to the 3 page one, right? I got that one by Googling (copic chart sketch)
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I searched this forum thread for Cjbapp and found her chart again (on her blog):
http://papercanoes.blogspot.com/sear...+chart&x=0&y=0
(bigger) http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_syUaZ6nEjg...-h/Picture.jpg
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Now I searched for posts by Rusty (oozak.com) and got the 9 pager:
http://www.oozak.com/i/cop/ex/COPIC_9_Pager.pdf
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yay! I'm glad you got them and like them! On the Versafine, it's strange but sometimes that happens to me (it bleeds) but many times it does not. Did you heat set it? That helps.

I understand being on dialup, I just went DSL this year when I enrolled dd in an online school! It does help to see the videos, but some blogs mentioned here do have photos and words...I have read both ways (light first then dark, and dark first then light), but the key is going over the juncture with the lighter color, I think. You want to use little circles from what I've read. Again, no expert here...
I'd go with a 2/3 gap rather than 3/4, unless you are going to use the tip to tip or palette techniques for blending. And, that rule does not cover all of the color groups. You are right, some of them seem to be a bigger jump than others. My feeling is what happens, is that the undertones come out more in the more saturated colors, and you don't always see them in the lighter ones. So, a pale red looks like pink but then when it's a number 6 it looks more like purple (just a hypothetical example). The biggest help to me was Cjbapp's chart with actual swatches and/or asking others if they could see a difference, as I got a few that weren't what I was expecting. In the blues, for example, I thought mine were greener than I expected until someone sent me some actual swatches, so I could see which one was closer to my desired shade.
sorry if that didn't really help! If there's something in particular you are looking for, I think the ladies and gentlemen here will try to help if they have that shade!

I second a lot of what she says. When I was first buying my copics (I started in February) I took a lot of advice from Lynn and all the others on this site. I've also read where some color light to dark and others do dark to light, I think it's a personal preference and how you can get your desired effect. I'm still practicing so I can't attest to one way or the other. I forget that I can use grays to tone down instead of a lighter color.

As for skipping shades, this is what I did: Made my first order, played with those and immediately ordered more BUT before I did, I read through the copic close enough thread and noted all similar colors mentioned, I went to a site that noted all SU color similarities and noted those. I also filled in a chart and I used all of these tools to help make my next selection. I'd go a few colors away from where I'd colored and decide if I wanted that color, was it an SU color? Was it similar to a color I already had? If it was I marked it on my chart that it was similar to XXX and then I knew/know I don't need that color right off, I can get it later if I feel I need to see for myself. When I get my markers in I color in my chart, I mark off what I don't need if I bought "similars" and then I know where to go for my next order. Does that make sense? Maybe I can pretty up my sheet and send it although I don't have my scanner hooked up to this PC and I don't have one at work anymore. Maybe I can bribe the person that took my job to do it for me. What I also did then was take the colors I had by each group (all the B's or BG's) and did a blending chart for myself. On Marianne's blog it talks of blending families, so say you are coloring grass with YG06. The shading and highlighting colors for your grass would be (in this case the colors I have) YG03 and YG11. I laid down my base color, YG06 and on one side of that I colored over it with my lighter color and on the other side with my darker color leaving some of the original color in the middle. This gives me an idea of how the colors I have blend together, or don't AND helps me again, decide what shades I need next. Does that make sense? Maybe I can get her to scan that too or I can take a picture. My DBF has my camera at his parents right now so I can't do it today.

It's a learning process for sure. I am currently reading Marianne's blog back to current posts and have started a "Copic notebook" taking notes off of it. The front of the book notes "tips" to coloring and at the back of the book I started it with color combos for coloring say hair, skin, water, skies, etc. It's just a small notebook and I keep track of what date I left off. I think I'm only in July of 08 so I've got some reading to do!!

Let us know when you place your next order, or did you already?? They're addicting FUN!!

I'm off to do schoolwork so I can play later.
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thanks soooo much...trying to get stamps inventoried to put up for sale, trade, etc...

THEN...going to play with my new friends...copics...hehehehe...

again thanks!
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This one prints on 3 pages, but with small areas of each color...
http://www.copicmarker.com/color_chart_sketch.pdf

For similarity, I think the wheel is helpful because you can see if they are touching (corners or right next to each other), they will be similar. I don't know if that eliminates ALL duplicates but it helps, I think, and if there's a particular one you're wondering about otherwise you could ask here or try the copic similarities thread!
I can't get my head around that wheel........it's confusing to me to try to figure out what's touching, etc. I'm sure I'm making it harder than it is. I'm doing ok without it being a reference for me so no loss to me. The wheel is overwhelming to me.
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THEN...going to play with my new friends...copics...hehehehe...

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Hello Copic Lovers!

Has anyone tried to change the tips of their Copics yet? My Mom bought me my first set of Copics (gotta love Mom!) and they were the Original (square) kind. Then I bought a few on a whim and they turned out to be the Sketch (oval) kind and I LOVED them mostly because of the brush tip (the Original's have a ballpoint pen tip and a flat markerish tip). So now I'd like to convert my Original's to Sketch by adding the brush tip but I'm a little nervous.

I found the tips on a couple of different websites but I'm betting there are no instructions that come with them! LOL!

Please let me know what your experience has been like and any tips would be much appreciated!

Thanks!!!
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Hello Copic Lovers!

Has anyone tried to change the tips of their Copics yet? My Mom bought me my first set of Copics (gotta love Mom!) and they were the Original (square) kind. Then I bought a few on a whim and they turned out to be the Sketch (oval) kind and I LOVED them mostly because of the brush tip (the Original's have a ballpoint pen tip and a flat markerish tip). So now I'd like to convert my Original's to Sketch by adding the brush tip but I'm a little nervous.

I found the tips on a couple of different websites but I'm betting there are no instructions that come with them! LOL!

Please let me know what your experience has been like and any tips would be much appreciated!

Thanks!!!
I have not done it, but I did see instructions on Copics website (in the Library), so maybe that will help?
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