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Unread 05-16-2017, 02:30 PM   #1
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I use Memento for coloring with Copics. I don't color with anything else.


I want to stamp some images for my family to color, but some use alcohol-based markers, and others use watercolor pencils or water-based markers.


Is there ONE ink that would work for both? I don't want to have to stamp and keep track of two sets of images.



Have looked all over and can't really find a definitive answer.


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I've used Palette ink for all 3 with very good results.
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I've used Palette ink for all 3 with very good results.
Good to know. Thanks for reminding me of it. It's in my stash but I don't use it that much. Palette Hybrid ink doesn't provide as crisp, or vivid, an image as Versafine, but Versafine is definitely not good with alcohol ink pens.

Perhaps if I am using cling or transparent stamps, I could use the MISTI to get more defined, crisp images. Have you had any experience using the ink this way?
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I've been experimenting today.

Versafine stamps a beautiful image, but is a definite no for alcohol based markers.


Memento looks terrible with my Hampton Art clear stamps.


I stamped them with my WRMK Precision Press.


When I tried to fill in the missing spots using Memento, it looked even worse.


Gah, I'm so frustrated. It doesn't seem like it should be this complicated.


I never noticed how bad the clear stamps look with Memento. I guess I usually use rubber stamps with it. And the Versamark with sentiments.


Thanks for responding. I'll definitely look into the ink you've recommended.
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Where do you get the best price on Palette Ink? I'd really like to try it.

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The paper is also a consideration for how well the different inks work. Just try to find the combo that works for you and stick with it
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I've used India Ink (Faber Castell Fine Brush Markers) or Copic pens. Both work with alcohol markers, no bleeding. Lately I lean more toward the Copic pens, they're also called Copic sketch or liner pens.
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Where do you get the best price on Palette Ink? I'd really like to try it.

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You could buy it on Amazon: Bitly. I'm still using the one I have from my Angel Company days. I just re-ink it when I need to.
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I'd say Hero Hues India Ink Black and My Favorite Things Black Licorice Hybrid Ink both work for Copics and SU markers and watercolor pencils. I tested them to make sure. I used Neenah Classic Crest Solar White paper. The HA India Ink image comes out darker, not sure if that's the same as "crisper". I didn't use my MISTI for either of them.

I colored directly to the paper with the marker. Also scribbled the marker on an acrylic block and used aqua painter. The third thing I did was the SU watercolor pencils. None of them smeared or bled.

P.S.: When in doubt, I emboss the image. lol
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Well, I've come up with a solution! I didn't even think to try it before because Versafine is a pigment ink, so I assumed no pigment inks would work with Copics.
Recollections paper from Michaels and Brilliance Ink (even though it is pigment.)
I heat set the ink and it does not smear with Copics, Prismas, Bic Mark-Its, Sharpies or Watercolor Pencils blended with water.


Good enough for now.
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Well, I've come up with a solution! I didn't even think to try it before because Versafine is a pigment ink, so I assumed no pigment inks would work with Copics.
Recollections paper from Michaels and Brilliance Ink (even though it is pigment.)
I heat set the ink and it does not smear with Copics, Prismas, Bic Mark-Its, Sharpies or Watercolor Pencils blended with water.


Good enough for now.
I know in the past that I have tried Copics on images that I had stamped using Versafine black and heat embossed with clear detail embossing powder. My recollection is that the Copics kind of melted the embossed lines and made a mess...I remember trying to be very careful and only color within the Lines and not touch the lines themselves. I need to revisit this and see if it happens again.
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I think my post was confusing.

Versafine definitely did not work with alcohol markers. Even heat-set. I didn't emboss because that wouldn't be appropriate for what I wanted.

I'm surprised Brilliance ink seems to work. What I was trying to say was that I almost didn't even try the Brilliance because it's a pigment ink and I assumed since Versafine smears with alcohol, all pigment inks would.



The thing I like and was looking for is that it seems to not smear with either alcohol or water. And the stamped image (clear stamp) looks a lot better than with Memento too. I'm really surprised.
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Sandy Allnock is loving Lawn Fawn jet black right now b/c she says it works for both alcohol and wc. I have not gotten a pad yet to try it.
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Any of the hybrid inks manufactured by Stewart Superior will work with alcohol inks and waterbased mediums... these are the ones I have, but you'll find the same inks (note the pad shape) from other companies as well. Typically black is the one people use for outlines but all the colors have the same ink formula.

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I use MFT's hybrid inks for both alcohol and water-based markers. It doesn't smear with either.
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Wow, thanks so much for all the great suggestions and advice.

Greatly appreciated.
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Any of the hybrid inks manufactured by Stewart Superior will work with alcohol inks and waterbased mediums... these are the ones I have, but you'll find the same inks (note the pad shape) from other companies as well. Typically black is the one people use for outlines but all the colors have the same ink formula.

What do you mean "note the pad shape?" When looking at Stewart Inks, I see "Palette" Ink, although that pad is oval. Will Palette Ink work?


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You could also just stamp with clear embossing ink and use black embossing powder.
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Was just re-reading these posts again and have to correct something I said earlier. Brilliance ink does not work with Copics. I got excited because it kind of worked, but tried it again and it didn't. My mistake.

I ordered a MFT Hybrid, I'm betting it will work. Will let you know in a week.


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What do you mean "note the pad shape?" When looking at Stewart Inks, I see "Palette" Ink, although that pad is oval. Will Palette Ink work?


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Stewart Superior manufactures inks for companies to put their brand name on. Impression Obsessions are pictured in my other post - but you'll find the same inks and pad shapes at MFT, Hero Arts, Simon Says Stamp, etc. The formula of the Palette inks is the same as the other branded hybrid inks.
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I've been experimenting today.

Versafine stamps a beautiful image, but is a definite no for alcohol based markers.


Memento looks terrible with my Hampton Art clear stamps.


I stamped them with my WRMK Precision Press.


When I tried to fill in the missing spots using Memento, it looked even worse.


Gah, I'm so frustrated. It doesn't seem like it should be this complicated.


I never noticed how bad the clear stamps look with Memento. I guess I usually use rubber stamps with it. And the Versamark with sentiments.


Thanks for responding. I'll definitely look into the ink you've recommended.
I use Memento on photopolymer stamps. Do you know if your stamp is photopolymer or acrylic? If it's a new stamp you can take a pencil eraser and rub the lines of the stamp, or sometimes just rub your hands against the stamp and/or against your jeans or other material before use to "season" it. I've only had to do that with a very few photopolymers but when there was an ink sticking issue, that took care of it.

But it sounds like you have your solutions, so that's what matters. : )
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I use Memento on photopolymer stamps. Do you know if your stamp is photopolymer or acrylic? If it's a new stamp you can take a pencil eraser and rub the lines of the stamp, or sometimes just rub your hands against the stamp and/or against your jeans or other material before use to "season" it. I've only had to do that with a very few photopolymers but when there was an ink sticking issue, that took care of it.

But it sounds like you have your solutions, so that's what matters. : )
All of this is good advice! I would add one more that someone at SCS recommended and worked well for me - first stamp the stamp with Versamark (watermark) ink and then, without cleaning it, stamp using the colored ink brand of choice. If it's still snarky, stamp in Versamark and immediately pick up ink from the colored pad and then stamp the double layer.
I had to do this last technique twice this past week with some photopolymer stamps that had never been used (but in my stash a long time!). I do recommend when doing this "seasoning", that you take the time to stamp off the image several times on scrap paper. Each time I stamped on scrap paper, the image got noticeably better. After about 3 times it was perfect and the stamp didn't need any more fiddling after that to get it to pick up dye or pigment ink with no splotches. :
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All of this is good advice! I would add one more that someone at SCS recommended and worked well for me - first stamp the stamp with Versamark (watermark) ink and then, without cleaning it, stamp using the colored ink brand of choice. If it's still snarky, stamp in Versamark and immediately pick up ink from the colored pad and then stamp the double layer.
I had to do this last technique twice this past week with some photopolymer stamps that had never been used (but in my stash a long time!). I do recommend when doing this "seasoning", that you take the time to stamp off the image several times on scrap paper. Each time I stamped on scrap paper, the image got noticeably better. After about 3 times it was perfect and the stamp didn't need any more fiddling after that to get it to pick up dye or pigment ink with no splotches. :
Absolutely! Yikes, I've done that myself - both with Versamark and stamping off. I'm still in morning brain mode?
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I don't often use alcohol inks, but I do watercolor a lot. Memento doesn't do it for me, but my former favorite, Memories works great. It is a dye in and waterbased, but it does not run with watercolors like Memento. Can't check right now, but maybe it would also work with alcohol inks and give you a more universal ink.
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I know in the past that I have tried Copics on images that I had stamped using Versafine black and heat embossed with clear detail embossing powder. My recollection is that the Copics kind of melted the embossed lines and made a mess...I remember trying to be very careful and only color within the Lines and not touch the lines themselves. I need to revisit this and see if it happens again.
Copic a only melt coloured embossing powders. Clear is fine. I knew this already but it was also taught by Cindy Lawrence who taught my COPIC classs earlier this month.
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The Hampton Arts stamps I have are acrylic and terrible with Memento. BUT, if you use a MISTI and stamp repeatedly, letting it DRY in between layers works quite well. If you stamp over and over without the drying the ink will spread leaving you with a fuzzy image.
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The Hampton Arts stamps I have are acrylic and terrible with Memento. BUT, if you use a MISTI and stamp repeatedly, letting it DRY in between layers works quite well. If you stamp over and over without the drying the ink will spread leaving you with a fuzzy image.
While I love Memento for "everyday stamping" I use Memories on anything that might bleed. It used to be my only black, but I changed to Memento when Memories became hard to find. It is a better all-around ink, but is more difficult to get the stain off your stamp. I only have rubber stamps, so can't speak to the results with clear of any kind.
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Most excellent advice. Lots of good tips.

Thanks so much Ladies!
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Stewart Superior manufactures inks for companies to put their brand name on. Impression Obsessions are pictured in my other post - but you'll find the same inks and pad shapes at MFT, Hero Arts, Simon Says Stamp, etc. The formula of the Palette inks is the same as the other branded hybrid inks.
Thanks, Dini. I didn't know that. I love my Palette inks, and it's good to know that some other companies' inks are the same formula. However, I've bought a few of the Hero Arts inks, and they do not perform well. I hear all the time that you have to let the inks set, and then they will "smooth out," but they don't work that way for me.
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Thanks, Dini. I didn't know that. I love my Palette inks, and it's good to know that some other companies' inks are the same formula. However, I've bought a few of the Hero Arts inks, and they do not perform well. I hear all the time that you have to let the inks set, and then they will "smooth out," but they don't work that way for me.
Maybe paper differences?
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I've tried different cardstocks, both high and low quality, and I get the same results. I'll keep trying with the inkpads and paper I have. Thanks for the suggestion, though. I appreciate it.
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not sure if this would work but Archival ink?
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The Hampton Arts stamps I have are acrylic and terrible with Memento. BUT, if you use a MISTI and stamp repeatedly, letting it DRY in between layers works quite well. If you stamp over and over without the drying the ink will spread leaving you with a fuzzy image.
Rebecca, I ordered Gina K.'s Black Ink and found the silicon stamps like Hampton Arts stamp so nice and clean as opposed to Memento. Also, if I allow an hour or two after stamping for dry time, I can use my Spectrum Noir and Zigs both with no smearing. Just wanted to share.
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Hi, I was watching one of the Stampscapes videos last night, and Kevin stamps his images in Marvy Black dye ink. As well as his usual colouring method, he also adds colour using both water based markers, and alcohol markers, with no issues. I know Marvy have stopped manufacturing their pads now, but they are still making blank pads, and all the reinkers are also still being made.
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Hi, I was watching one of the Stampscapes videos last night, and Kevin stamps his images in Marvy Black dye ink. As well as his usual colouring method, he also adds colour using both water based markers, and alcohol markers, with no issues. I know Marvy have stopped manufacturing their pads now, but they are still making blank pads, and all the reinkers are also still being made.
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I know Archival ink works great with watercolors. I just tried it with Copics and it smears.
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I watched a video yesterday where the presenter said My Favorite Things Black Hybrid works with everything. She mentioned lots of coloring mediums. Has anyone used it with Gamsol? I would love to have one ink that does it all!! Right now I feel like I have to decide how I am going to color before I stamp. It would be nice to not have to worry about that issue.
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Because the coloring mediums are different, they require a different ink. One ink will never do it all. If all you used were water-based colors, then you could use one ink. I don't have Copics, per say, but I do have a few alcohol based markers. I have found Memories or Archival to work pretty well with them as well as water-based, but maybe I was just lucky, as I don't think it should work that way. I do love my Memories inks, though and am acquiring all their colors bit by bit. I like them better than Staz-on and find I can substitute them for Staz-on and also for things Staz on doesn't do (non-porous, slippery surfaces like glazed tile).
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I watched a video yesterday where the presenter said My Favorite Things Black Hybrid works with everything. She mentioned lots of coloring mediums. Has anyone used it with Gamsol? I would love to have one ink that does it all!! Right now I feel like I have to decide how I am going to color before I stamp. It would be nice to not have to worry about that issue.
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Because the coloring mediums are different, they require a different ink. One ink will never do it all.
The Stewart Superior Hybrid ink (same formula as Palette and hybrids branded by Impression Obsession, SSS, MFT, Hero Arts...) will work with alcohol markers, mineral spirits, pencil, and watercolor.

I reviewed the IO inks here and used them in a squillion different ways.


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