Water Based Dye Ink and Dye Ink Are They One and the Same?

NorthernSpirit87 · 04-18-2009

Hello -

I have a general question regarding Dye Based Ink. I have SU water based dye ink. Is water based dye ink the same as dye based ink? I have noticed that when I use SU dye ink on glossy cardstock it tends to fade. Is there dye based ink out there that does not fade besides Staz On ink? Any advice is greatly appreciated. Robin

row4d · 04-18-2009

"Dye ink" is water-based. StazOn is NOT dye/water-based -- it is a solvent-based ink very similar to what's found in a Sharpie marker, which is why it is permanent and not really all that prone to fading.

Springpatchlady · 04-18-2009

If you're wanting it not to fade on glossy, you probably need pigment ink (called Craft ink by SU!). It is pigment-based, thicker, slower-to-dry than dye (or water-based ink).

And like the above poster notes, Staz-On is NOT dye-based. It is a solvent ink - totally different than dye or pigment.

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Originally Posted by NorthernSpirit87

Hello -

I have a general question regarding Dye Based Ink. I have SU water based dye ink. Is water based dye ink the same as dye based ink? I have noticed that when I use SU dye ink on glossy cardstock it tends to fade. Is there dye based ink out there that does not fade besides Staz On ink? Any advice is greatly appreciated. Robin

steubner · 04-18-2009

I've heard of some people having problems getting pigment ink to dry on glossy cardstock (we're talking DAYS). I think Stazon will probably be your best bet.

katestamps716 · 04-18-2009

I use Palette inks. It is a hybrid and works wonderfully.

row4d · 04-18-2009

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Originally Posted by Springpatchlady

If you're wanting it not to fade on glossy, you probably need pigment ink (called Craft ink by SU!). It is pigment-based, thicker, slower-to-dry than dye (or water-based ink).

Pigment ink doesn't dry on non-porous surfaces -- you have to heat-emboss it. I know glossy card stock isn't totally impervious like glass or plastic, but it's just resistant enough that the ink will take AGES to dry, if it dries at all.

Angelnorth · 04-19-2009

Memento is dye-based and works great on glossy - nice rich colour retention and it's a fade-resistant ink (which means long-term, not just at the moment you stamp it), dries very quickly.

steubner · 04-19-2009

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Originally Posted by Angelnorth

Memento is dye-based and works great on glossy - nice rich colour retention and it's a fade-resistant ink (which means long-term, not just at the moment you stamp it), dries very quickly.

Thanks for the good info!

polargirl · 04-19-2009

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Originally Posted by row4d

Pigment ink doesn't dry on non-porous surfaces -- you have to heat-emboss it. I know glossy card stock isn't totally impervious like glass or plastic, but it's just resistant enough that the ink will take AGES to dry, if it dries at all.

Absolutely, pigment ink (SU craft ink) does not dry on glossy paper. It will just smear. It must be heat embossed with embossing powder.

NorthernSpirit87 · 04-19-2009

Thank you for all your replies.

jnsyr · 04-19-2009

Do you want this to LAST (like in a scrapbook)? Be sure to use pigment ink, like SU!'s Craft ink. It won't dry on glossy paper, but you can clear emboss it to set it. Do NOT use solvent-based inks in scrapbooks--that smelly solvent means that the ink is harmful to paper in the long run. (I have master's degrees in both museum studies and library/information studies, and worked in an archives.)

I don't know enough about hybrid inks, but I'd rather be safe than sorry if it's something I want to last--pigment inks!!

Angelnorth · 04-20-2009

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Originally Posted by jnsyr

Do NOT use solvent-based inks in scrapbooks--that smelly solvent means that the ink is harmful to paper in the long run. (I have master's degrees in both museum studies and library/information studies, and worked in an archives.)

Stazon is both acid-free and archival according to Tsukineko's technical data. Wouldn't those things indicate that it's OK for scrapbook use?

jnsyr · 04-20-2009

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Originally Posted by Angelnorth

Stazon is both acid-free and archival according to Tsukineko's technical data. Wouldn't those things indicate that it's OK for scrapbook use?

PVC is acid-free but not recommended for scrapbooks--solvents give off a gas that is harmful.

I've posted about the term "archival" on several threads, if not this one. That is a term that is not regulated and has no meaning.

So...use at your own risk. Why chance it?

Angelnorth · 04-21-2009

Interesting! I don't scrap so have no worries at all on that front but I'm sure others do!

samswindle · 04-22-2009

One more technique that I've used on glossy paper is to put regular rubbing alcohol on a cotton ball, then use SU!'s reinkers (regular ink) to drop onto the cotton ball. This makes a type of alcohol ink. You can then use the cotton ball to sponge on glossy paper. It makes for a cool background-especially if you use more than one color. practice on a scrap piece first because the alcohol changes the color slightly. But it's a fun technique to try! Good luck!