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it's been so ridiculously hot out here in Cali I settled for a big pile of icecream mmh yummy
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THAT sounds dee-lish, Jen!
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I made a triple berry pie this afternoon...just waiting for it to cool and set before I smother it in vanilla ice cream!

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I'm craving chocolate cake with chocolate icing.....
I like carrot cake, or chocolate cake with vanilla buttercream icing. Yummmmm.
I think I'll get some yogurt.
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How's that healthy eating and working out going Jen? LOL I can't have cupcakes in the house, I'll eat them all!
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I have Raspberry Zingers!
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These storms are CRAZY! Yikes.
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Saw those on your blog! Yummmy!
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I'm sad to say I have never had a Rasberry Zinger. Should I add it to my Cake eating list?
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*drooling* Those sound DELISH!
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How's that healthy eating and working out going Jen? LOL I can't have cupcakes in the house, I'll eat them all!
going well!! i'm actually stuffing my face with chinese food tho. it's what mother nature ordered!
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carole, you really must do pastels more often!! that is INCREDIBLE!!

ana, cutie patootie card! loveee it!
Thanks, Jen! The sketch, of course, is an SFYTT! What would I ever do without you to draw it out for me?!
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they are AMAAAAAZING!
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i'm fixin' to have some chocolate cake with chocolate icing (that does not have writing on it that says, "Feel Better Soon, Susan. I love you."--see my blog for that backstory if you haven't already read it.) and some ice cream!
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Yes! They are truly delicious! When I buy them to pack in my kids lunches, I always am the one eating the majority of them. LOL!
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Welcome, everyone! I hope I can keep up!
I think I'd rather be eating Jen's cupcakes or your pie instead of steak....
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LOVE your sweet whale, Ana! Isn't that big fishie just the most fun to play with?! Did y'all get a chance to see Jody's today? Sooo cute, too. BLOW HOLE!!!
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Thanks, Jen! The sketch, of course, is an SFYTT! What would I ever do without you to draw it out for me?!
I know. I always pull up SFYTT whenever I do a card. Such an awesome resource!
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i thought it looked familiar!!
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yumm Jen! I saw those on your blog and literally started drooling!!
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No writing? I'm surprised!
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no I haven't but I'm on my way now to check out the cuteness!!
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i'm fixin' to have some chocolate cake with chocolate icing (that does not have writing on it that says, "Feel Better Soon, Susan. I love you."--see my blog for that backstory if you haven't already read it.) and some ice cream!
Did Eric really do that? What a great guy.
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thx ladies!! they're easy to work with when you have such wonderful stamps, too
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That made me laugh today Susan! I really don't think it was too much to ask...do you? I do hope you are feeling better.
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she told him to have them write that!! can't wait to see the cake she's gonna make him!!!!
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I've been wanting chocolate cake with chocolate icing all day... ever since I visited your blog....... maybe I'll fix cake for dinner
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