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Yup, going to Syracuse, too bad about the ones in your group being that way, I really love to try new things and you never know what you'll end up with. If I h\make you a test tube in November, be aware that it will be Christmas related not Halloween. I don't think you want to go backwards on holidays. Do you have ideas for you twisted card yet... that is going to be my down fall. OH, and by the way, tell your hubby he is far to good looking to chop up. Becky