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Old 11-13-2004, 05:10 PM   #1  
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A friend of mine is looking to make cards for our local library. She has plenty of Christmas ideas, but nothing that would be appropriate for someone Jewish.

Does anyone have any ideas on a Jewish-themed card, using non-Jewish themed stamps, or should she just invest in a couple of Jewish stamps?!

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Well, I hope I can help you at least a little. I am not Jewish, but I am a cake decorater. When I need to decorate a cake for Hanukka (sp), we always use royal blue, yellow and white colors. It's not much I'm sorry. Good luck
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Try cutting out 2 pieces of card stock in the shape of triangles and overlapping them to make a star of david
Good for any occasion.
I would use blue, white, silver, just about any color.(except for yellow - yellow stars are very remeniscent of Nazi Germany).
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You can make the star pop up over the background with dimensionals. The background can be ANYTHING at all!! You can stamp flowers in the background, or snow flakes, or anything else really.
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Yes, blue, white and gold are the appropriate color choices. I used to have a Jewish supervisor at work. When we all decorated our desks for Christmas, we did his with a candle theme to symbolize the menorah (Candle holder.) There are 7 candles on a menorah. So candles would be a good idea.
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I had a customer today order some holiday cards that would fit your needs I think. She is Jewish and her DH is Catholic. So, she asked for the Peace, Love, Joy stamp from All Year Cheer I to be silver embossed on Night of Navy Cardstock with some vellum accents. Inside, she asked me to stamp the holiday greeting from Sketch It. I can upload it if you'd like.

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I did not do this card but this is a way cool idea and I am going to duplicate for my cousin for her holiday card. Thanks mbsj!

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ETA I went to my local Archiver's and they have the diecut to punch out this star, only you have to buy their paper....
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FYI...There are 9 candles on a menorah. :-)
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Vanessa I'd love to see the card...

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I wanted to make some Jewish cards for Keri to send to the troops and am going to order one of the two sets from our catalog (I think they are doing a disservice having only 2) to make some.

And I remember learning what CreativeDiva said many years ago when I had a Jewish boss, never use gold!! He wouldn't even decorate the office in gold, had to be silver and blues.
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If you have the set Shadows and Shapes, or Fun With Shapes, or any set with a triangle, you can make the Star of David. I think it has 6 corners. Then use the colors that were suggested or blue and silver.

Oh well, thats one idea. Also it is a time of gift giving I think so mabe something with gifts on it would be appropriate.

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I'm using my swirling stars jumbo wheel from the holiday mini with Ballet blue ink and dazzling diamonds...also the star stamp from the tag set (Happiest of Holidays) and the sentiment are appropriate. It says "Wishing you the Happiest of Holidays."

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I wanted to make some Jewish cards for Keri to send to the troops and am going to order one of the two sets from our catalog (I think they are doing a disservice having only 2) to make some.
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I don't think so. The US Jewish population is less than 2%. They would need to have more than 100 holiday sets for 2 sets to be proportional. As with all businesses, they need to put their resources in the place that yields the most potential return.
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I don't think so. The US Jewish population is less than 2%. They would need to have more than 100 holiday sets for 2 sets to be proportional. As with all businesses, they need to put their resources in the place that yields the most potential return.
well, I for one disagree with that statement... I have a lot of customers who would love to buy more Jewish themed sets. I guess it probably depends on where you are... bigger cities have more demand... I think that if SU offers more, more will sell... you can buy christmas stamps anywhere in any store, Jewish stamps are more specialized and harder to come by, so more people buy whatever they can find!
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I don't think so. The US Jewish population is less than 2%. They would need to have more than 100 holiday sets for 2 sets to be proportional. As with all businesses, they need to put their resources in the place that yields the most potential return.
well, I for one disagree with that statement... I have a lot of customers who would love to buy more Jewish themed sets. I guess it probably depends on where you are... bigger cities have more demand... I think that if SU offers more, more will sell... you can buy christmas stamps anywhere in any store, Jewish samps are more specializes and harder to come by, so more people buy whatever they can find!
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I am not sure what you are disagreeing with my numbers or the business principle I quoted. I don't think a Punk Rock only record store would do well in Nashville any more than I think investing in the production of 6-10 Jewish themed sets would do for SU, or any other stamping catalog company. However, 13% of the US is African-American. There might be a better investment of product.

As to urban areas, I live in one. I also happen to live in place with 4 synagogues within 6 miles of me -- which I know about. Believe me, Hanukah merchandise sells where I live, and thus the retailers carry it. But, if I go just across town to where I used to live, I can only thing of one synagogue. Even the Hallmark in that neighborhood carries only a very few Hanukah items.

I only meant to point out that proportionally for holiday sets, I feel two obviously Jewish sets is great. After all, anything quoting the Old Testament is Jewish, as well.
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But, if I go just across town to where I used to live, I can only thing of one synagogue.
That's exactly what I mean, it depends on the area.
And I do agree with you that the Jewish population in the States is 2%, but I still think that one or 2 more Jewish sets would sell really well. (6 more would really be way too much, I agree).

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I'd really like to see a better all-purpose Jewish set. For example -- no Jewish person would wish another "Happy Rosh Hashana" -- they'd say "Happy New Year" or "L'Shana Tovah." I was very disappointed when the Mazel Tov set came out.
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I'd really like to see a better all-purpose Jewish set. For example -- no Jewish person would wish another "Happy Rosh Hashana" -- they'd say "Happy New Year" or "L'Shana Tovah." I was very disappointed when the Mazel Tov set came out.
You're right! There is a retired set of Jewish Greetings that was much much better!
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Wow ... I never expected my original question to turn into such a debate! Thank you to everyone who gave me ideas. I think I have plenty to go on.
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Okay, I'm not Jewish and I'm a little offended here.
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only meant to point out that proportionally for holiday sets, I feel two obviously Jewish sets is great. After all, anything quoting the Old Testament is Jewish, as well.
Actually, one set is all inclusive, one is semi-Hanukkah only related. And I'm really amazed that only 2% of the population is Jewish. Maybe it's where I've lived but the percentage of Jewish people that I've met far outweighs that percentage.

What I completely wonder from all this is regardless of what the percentage is, does one not factor in friends of the percentage. I mean, would a christian not offend a Jew by giving them a card with Jesus on it. I know I'd be offended if someone gave me a card that went completely against my religion. Of those 2% you must factor in friends in the purchase percentage. I think 4 would be a nice number and not a burdon on the manufacturer.
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I'm Jewish and had to add my two cents. First, I have never heard of not using gold at Chanukah time. My menorah is gold. Chanukah gelt (the metal foil-covered chocolates) are usually gold. While blue and silver is a common color combo for Chanukah, I also see gold all the time. I'll have to ask my sister-in-law, who is in rabbincal school, about this thread....

I'm also disappointed by the fact that there are only 2 Jewish sets in the main catalog, and I don't love either of them, although I bought both. That's why I was thrilled to see a cute Chanukah set in the mini (Festival Fun). I bought it and made some cute samples, and I'm bummed to report that I haven't had anyone buy it. I've bought a few extras to give as gifts. But, I think if I can't sell even a cute Chanukah set -- and I have lots of Jewish relatives and friends -- then I doubt SU is selling many of these sets overall. I'm concerned that dismal sales of Festival Fun will make it unlikely that SU will expand the Jewish offerings anytime soon. And, I think that would make sound business sense so I won't complain.

I should add that religious Jews don't send greeting cards during the December holiday season but rather in the fall around Rosh Hashanah. It's only with all the commercialization of Christmas that Jewish people started doing Chanukah cards and making Chanukah into a big celebration. It's really a very minor holiday.

When I send out holiday cards, I tend to use something neutral -- usually a "happy holidays" sentiment and then images that aren't only associated with Christmas or Chanukah. Usually snowflakes, snowmen, etc. Seems a little odd now that I'm living in sunny California, though! I'm not offended when I receive cards with all the nonsecular Christmas symbols -- trees, holly, even Santa. It's those very religious ones that I'm surprised people send me.

Back to the poster's original question. I made a cute card last year where I made strips of Ballet Blue card stock as candles and then used Summer Sun punched from our heart punch upside down as the flames. An earlier poster was right -- the traditional Chanukah menorah has 9 candles. Eight of them in a row with the ninth either in the middle (elevated a bit) or at one end separated a bit from the rest. The ninth is used to light the others.

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Stephanie - I'm not sure about the gold. I said in an earlier posting that they should avoid making yellow stars, I think gold is perfectly fine...
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Thank you Stephanie, I'm going to look in my Holiday Mini for the other set. Okay, back now It's not the concept of the set that I don't like, it's the kids. Don't like kids in my sets and interestingly enough, that set will probably be in the next catalog.

I wonder if they gold issue is based on belief and how one was raised. I just remember my boss not allowing anything "christian" or anything that wasn't silver and gold. I think we were lucky to get a holiday bonus though.

The December holiday no matter what you call it has long been a point of issue with some people. Now with the over commercialization, it's gotten even more difficult.
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How funny, the reason I didn't buy the mini set is because I didn't like the kids in it at all. My customers didn't either.
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Stephanie - I don't know where the gold came from either. I said in an earlier posting that they should avoid making yellow stars, gold is perfectly fine...
I guess to my hoyty toydy boss, yellow was gold and gold was mearly yellow. I just learned from him we decorated in blue and silver ONLY. He probably had issue with Green, Red, and Gold combos.
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I can see that.
I think different people have different sensibilities... or maybe your boss just didn't like gold
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I have uploaded the card I mentioned to my gallery. It's called "General Holiday Card."

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I don't think so. The US Jewish population is less than 2%. They would need to have more than 100 holiday sets for 2 sets to be proportional. As with all businesses, they need to put their resources in the place that yields the most potential return.
As another Jewish stamper, demonstrator and Cantor at my synagogue, I have to add my two cents as well.

With the exception of the Stars of David set (which retired), I haven't liked any of the SU sets dedicated to Jewish Holidays. I second the opinion that no Jewish person would wish another "Happy Rosh Hashanah" or "Happy Passover." Chag Sameach (which SU used to have) is more appropriate. I also had problems with the Chanukah set that was in the Mini - much too cutesy for my tastes. It would have been better to make a simple dreidel wheel that could be used for adults or children.

Interestingly, I have seen more cards using purples, yellows and reds this year than blue and silver. Blue and white are the colors of Israel and blue and silver are traditionally used at Chanukah. Perhaps the boss spoken about previously did not want to use gold because gold is used so much with red and green at Christmas.

I think that SU does it's customers a disservice by not offering more stamps for their Jewish stampers. I send many of my customers looking for Jewish stamps to Ruth's Jewish Stamps and other similar places since the selection at SU is so slim. It was also quite disappointing to them that the Hostess set this past Mini was religious in nature. While I think that of course there should be religious Christmas sets in the catalog (after all, that is the point of Christmas, isn't it? ), perhaps SU could make their hostess gift sets more secular in nature. Many of my customers chose not to hostess until later since they could not use the set. It was very interesting.

In any event, while it may be true that the Jewish population is only 2% of the American people, perhaps one should look at the economic and artistic influence of that 2% before making such decisions as what to offer for sale.

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In any event, while it may be true that the Jewish population is only 2% of the American people, perhaps one should look at the economic and artistic influence of that 2% before making such decisions as what to offer for sale.
Couldn't have said it better myself!
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In any event, while it may be true that the Jewish population is only 2% of the American people, perhaps one should look at the economic and artistic influence of that 2% before making such decisions as what to offer for sale.

Happy Holidays, everyone! [/u]
I think the above statement makes an excellent point about how SU has not persued this market. As was pointed out, Happy Rosh Hashana is not a traditional greeting. Have those of you so verse on what might be more appropriate sets sent suggestions to SU? Seems like they need a little help. Maybe they would sell more if people felt they could use all the stamps in the set.

And I am sorry my 2% statement offended. I really was just trying to point out that national companies can not be all things to all people. They must look at their clientele and make desicions on what to offer. I thought people might be shocked, as I was, that the Jewish population was so small.
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we did his with a candle theme to symbolize the menorah (Candle holder.) There are 7 candles on a menorah. So candles would be a good idea.
The Menorah has nine candles on it. 8 for the 8 nights of chanakuah, and 1 is called the shamas and is used to light the other 8 with. every night one more candle is lit. ex. 1st night shamas + 1, 2nd night shamas +2, and so on.
For these cards, use any shades of blue, white, silver. the star of david is a 6 pointed star, and you can male that easily with 2 triangles of paper. There are many spellings for hanukkah, chanakuah, so make your choice. you can also look at some of the cards here on scs by doing a search for "jewish"

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Oops - "My bad" about the 7 candle count on a menorah. I knew it has 9. It was a typo of my flying dyslexic fingers.

Well, in spite of that, I think you have gotten plenty of feedback about this.

Best of luck!
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