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Old 07-19-2013, 08:12 PM   #1
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Hi guys.
Still learning a lot.
Right now I'm having some trouble with application on some custom stamps.

I'd like to use a rubber roller/brayer, but I can't seem to find the correct surface to roll the ink on.

When I try on glass the roller just slides and doesn't roll.
It rolls fine on something with tooth like cardboard but the cardboard seems to absorb a lot of ink and the roller doesn't get enough.

I remember in school (I think) rolling the ink on a steel/iron surface. Would that be better?

I appreciate any help.

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I know you're using the Tsukineko fabric ink - does that come with any advice or technical detail? I suspect most of us have experience of using our brayers directly onto an inkpad which is not going to help you at all unless it's practical for you to make a custom inkpad of some sort (with something like a piece of Cut n Dry felt, for example).

I suspect it's the combination of ink and surface that's important here. I certainly used a rubber brayer and a glass surface when I did some lino printing many years ago but that's a thick ink that I think is probably oil-based. Your water-based ink is maybe too slippery for the glass and brayer combo.

Can you pick up a cheap cookie sheet (try the dollar store) to try your metal idea?
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I know you're using the Tsukineko fabric ink - does that come with any advice or technical detail? I suspect most of us have experience of using our brayers directly onto an inkpad which is not going to help you at all unless it's practical for you to make a custom inkpad of some sort (with something like a piece of Cut n Dry felt, for example).

I suspect it's the combination of ink and surface that's important here. I certainly used a rubber brayer and a glass surface when I did some lino printing many years ago but that's a thick ink that I think is probably oil-based. Your water-based ink is maybe too slippery for the glass and brayer combo.

Can you pick up a cheap cookie sheet (try the dollar store) to try your metal idea?
I am using the speedball fabric ink actually.
And ya, you're right. The fact that the ink is thinner probably isn't helping.

I'll keep experimenting. I'll try the cookie sheet idea too.

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Old 07-21-2013, 06:09 PM   #4
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Glass doesn't work, steel doesn't work, iron doesn't work, wood doesn't work and cardboard doesn't work.
The brayer just slides...never spins/gains traction to pick up ink

I'm confused.

I can't be the only person trying to apply textile ink with a brayer...

Anybody have any other ideas?

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I just googled and Speedball has some videos up on their site/YouTube. The first one shows somebody carving her own stamp and applying ink with a brayer. She's using something called an "inking plate" which is presumably a Speedball product and I'm afraid I have no idea what it's made of. Shows it's doable though! The videos are all accessible from this page.

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Oh, I did mean to say - have you checked your brayer is OK by trying it with other inks/surfaces? Try running it over a regular ink pad and see what happens to make sure it's not stuck for some reason.
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I just googled and Speedball has some videos up on their site/YouTube. The first one shows somebody carving her own stamp and applying ink with a brayer. She's using something called an "inking plate" which is presumably a Speedball product and I'm afraid I have no idea what it's made of. Shows it's doable though! The videos are all accessible from this page.

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I've seen those plates, they are metal so I don't know if they will work.

Unfortunately speedball has he worst customer service I've ever seen and after about 2 months and a bunch of emails and calls they won't respond to anything...so there is no help there

And unfortunately I only have waterbased inks to test my brayer on. It seems to be spinning freely but I will try to get a regular ink pad and test it.

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PS. I also realized I was using a hard rubber brayer. I am going to try a soft brayer
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And unfortunately I only have waterbased inks to test my brayer on.
OK, are you saying it's not the ink that's used in that video? As that has soap and water clean up I assumed it was water based and couldn't see what else you'd be using. The only other things there that looked suitable for fabrics are the screen printing inks and those, I suspect, are going to be much more fluid given how screen printing works.

If you're using something else, can you show us the packaging or point to it online someplace?
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OK, are you saying it's not the ink that's used in that video? As that has soap and water clean up I assumed it was water based and couldn't see what else you'd be using. The only other things there that looked suitable for fabrics are the screen printing inks and those, I suspect, are going to be much more fluid given how screen printing works.

If you're using something else, can you show us the packaging or point to it online someplace?
Sorry, I am using the Speedball Fabric waterbased screenprinting inks. I just realized I didn't mention that in the first post. I've heard a lot of bad things about the block ink and when I tested it it just had a very bad result and didn't dry correctly.

I talked to several others who consistently use the screenprinting ink for rubber stamping shirts, but their stamping was a lot smaller so the brayer issue didn't come up I am guessing
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I guess I thought more people used rubber stamps on shirts and/or used screenprinting ink which is why I asked here.
Might have to blaze a new trail and figure out my own methods
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I talked to several others who consistently use the screenprinting ink for rubber stamping shirts, but their stamping was a lot smaller so the brayer issue didn't come up I am guessing
They're still getting the ink onto the stamp somehow though! If they're not using a brayer, how are they doing it? If they're inking up a pad of some sort (Cut n Dry felt or similar) couldn't you do the same and run your brayer over that? You can keep a pad in something like a Ziploc bag between uses to keep the ink moist so you're not looking at wasting what's in the pad at the end of a session.

If they're not inking up a pad, get them to explain how they're getting the ink onto the stamp and see if it's a method you can either adopt or adapt. Screen printing ink is pretty fluid so I'm not suprised it's too slippery for a brayer on most surfaces.

The vast majority of people here are pretty content to stamp on cards, I think. There are some who like altered art and some who stamp on surfaces like fabric or polymer clay too but I think we're a bit of a minority!
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They're still getting the ink onto the stamp somehow though! If they're not using a brayer, how are they doing it? If they're inking up a pad of some sort (Cut n Dry felt or similar) couldn't you do the same and run your brayer over that? You can keep a pad in something like a Ziploc bag between uses to keep the ink moist so you're not looking at wasting what's in the pad at the end of a session.

If they're not inking up a pad, get them to explain how they're getting the ink onto the stamp and see if it's a method you can either adopt or adapt. Screen printing ink is pretty fluid so I'm not suprised it's too slippery for a brayer on most surfaces.

The vast majority of people here are pretty content to stamp on cards, I think. There are some who like altered art and some who stamp on surfaces like fabric or polymer clay too but I think we're a bit of a minority!
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I think with the soft rubber brayer (I just ordered one) and trying a few different things I might be able to get it to work. I also ordered the speedball ink tray to see if that makes any difference and I will try felt (that is a good idea). I would image that it would roll fine on felt
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