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Old 09-29-2008, 02:03 PM   #4041
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So, I'm pretty much a lurker...but my question is how do you deal with raising children & keeping them from being ostracized by their friends ~ I've strongly warned my daughters to not talk about religion (my oldest has become very interested in Mythology & loves to 'talk' and is always telling people that we don't believe in god...) & that this is a private matter...

Is there a book?
I did a google search and found this list which seems to be some general non-religious things and some written by atheists for atheists kids.
http://questioner.www2.50megs.com/Bo..._Children.html
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Anybody able to see this? I'd have to drive two hours so probably won't. Just wondered if anyone else had seen it or wanted to and whether it was any good.
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Anybody able to see this? I'd have to drive two hours so probably won't. Just wondered if anyone else had seen it or wanted to and whether it was any good.
I'm trying desperately to find a babysitter so I can go tomorrow (with my brother & SIL who are both, at the least, agnostic). My brother heard from someone that did see it that the movie is funny and smart.
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Anybody able to see this? I'd have to drive two hours so probably won't. Just wondered if anyone else had seen it or wanted to and whether it was any good.

I really want to see it but the closest theater showing it is 40 miles away. In fact, I could only find showings in a few places in NC. Love that Bible Belt!
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I'm trying desperately to find a babysitter so I can go tomorrow (with my brother & SIL who are both, at the least, agnostic). My brother heard from someone that did see it that the movie is funny and smart.
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Did you get to see the movie? If you went, how was it?
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Did you get to see the movie? If you went, how was it?
No It is almost impossible to find a babysitter last minute (especially when you are as picky as I am). But, good news is that the movie is in our theater for another week, so I am going to try for next Wed (my bro & SIL have weird schedules, so weekends are out). Sorry I wasn't able to give y'all a report!
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Did you get to see the movie? If you went, how was it?
OK, so now that I know it's a movie, I want to see it too!!!
The preview looks GREAT, but I bet my DH won't want to see it - crazy catholic man!
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Hi, haven't been around in a while- long story - but here I am again
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Hey there! Nice to see you again! It's been quiet here.....
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I see - from looking at the old posts- not much going on eh?

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Well thank goodness someone posted today and that I happened to click "new posts!" I didn't know there was a spot for agnostics over here! And Wrose is here! And Rainsong is here (who I usually just read because her brain power overwhelms me)!

Obviously, I'm pretty new to SCS and I just keep wandering into these really great threads.

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Hello ladies -

Let me say first off, I am a Christian as you can see by my signature line, but am not here to convert anyone. I have a question and am hoping that you can help me. I'm truly not trying to cause any issues, but have a situation and want to handle it respectfully.

A co-worker of mine is well, I'm not sure if she's Agnostic or what as she's not sure either. Her husband died two weeks ago very unexpectedly and she will be returning to work the first time tomorrow. Since she does not believe in the God that I believe in, would it be considered impolite or rude to tell her that I have been praying for her? She and I have had some discussions about our beliefs, and accept that we believe what we believe, and don't condemn or belittle each other for not believing the same way. Perhaps just telling her that she's been in my thoughts would be enough?
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Let me say first off, I am a Christian as you can see by my signature line, but am not here to convert anyone. I have a question and am hoping that you can help me. I'm truly not trying to cause any issues, but have a situation and want to handle it respectfully.

A co-worker of mine is well, I'm not sure if she's Agnostic or what as she's not sure either. Her husband died two weeks ago very unexpectedly and she will be returning to work the first time tomorrow. Since she does not believe in the God that I believe in, would it be considered impolite or rude to tell her that I have been praying for her? She and I have had some discussions about our beliefs, and accept that we believe what we believe, and don't condemn or belittle each other for not believing the same way. Perhaps just telling her that she's been in my thoughts would be enough?
I don't think most people mind when one says that they have or are praying for them. As long as you leave it at that sentence – and only once. When my DH and I have been seriously ill, many said that and it didn't bother me. But you know her best and maybe just saying that you have had her in you thoughts and you wish her the best. You could take her out to lunch to help get her mind off of her loss.

My sister lost her husband 3 weeks ago by way of suicide. Even though he was agnostic, many said they were praying and many just said that she was in their thoughts. One thing her co-workers did was to give her leeway on her job and they took her out for lunch and kept her refrigerator full of food.
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You could say "I've been thinking about you"....
Because you have been.


I don't find "I'm praying for you" offensive - but it doesn't mean as much to me as someone saying "I've been thinking of you."
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Samantha, my sincere sympathy on the loss of your BIL. My former husband's BIL also committed suicide, and I know the turmoil it creates. I wish your SIL and family peace.

Thanks to you and Ireland too for your responses to my question. I appreciate you both taking the time to respond.
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Thank you AuntKimi for coming in respectfully and asking a sincere question!
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Hello ladies -

Let me say first off, I am a Christian as you can see by my signature line, but am not here to convert anyone. I have a question and am hoping that you can help me. I'm truly not trying to cause any issues, but have a situation and want to handle it respectfully.

A co-worker of mine is well, I'm not sure if she's Agnostic or what as she's not sure either. Her husband died two weeks ago very unexpectedly and she will be returning to work the first time tomorrow. Since she does not believe in the God that I believe in, would it be considered impolite or rude to tell her that I have been praying for her? She and I have had some discussions about our beliefs, and accept that we believe what we believe, and don't condemn or belittle each other for not believing the same way. Perhaps just telling her that she's been in my thoughts would be enough?
I agree with what the ladies have already said. I am not offended when someone says they are praying for me, if it comes from a place of love. But it would also be appropriate to say you are thinking of her, as that is what you have been doing, in your way. Be sure to tell her the SCS ladies are thinking of her as well!
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Sammie, I am so sorry for your family's loss! I don't have any other words for you except that. I'm sorry!
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When someone says they've prayed for me in a time of stress, I just take it that they're sending good thoughts and love the best way they know how. So I'm not insulted.

I guess I'd only be affronted if they said they were praying for my conversion. Or maybe I'd just chuckle....
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Because you have been.


I don't find "I'm praying for you" offensive - but it doesn't mean as much to me as someone saying "I've been thinking of you."
Ditto.

You could also ask what she needs, or what you could do to help (or offer something concrete, such as I'll bring a casserole on Wednesday. Or, I'm stopping for groceries tonight, can I get you anything while I'm out? Sometimes when people say, let me know if there is anything I can do to help, they hesitate to actually ask, or take it as a general comment.
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When someone says they've prayed for me in a time of stress, I just take it that they're sending good thoughts and love the best way they know how. So I'm not insulted.

I guess I'd only be affronted if they said they were praying for my conversion. Or maybe I'd just chuckle....
Well, I was once told that the person was "praying for my soul". I did take a wee bit of offense at that.
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Remember, I wasn't raised with any type of religion.

Can someone tell me what the heck "The End Times" are??
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I think it's about the end of the world. A fiery, havoc-wreaking end to absolutely everything? I found a description at http://www.judgmenthour.com/ that might help.

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Remember, I wasn't raised with any type of religion.

Can someone tell me what the heck "The End Times" are??

7 years of tribulation, anti-christ comes, Jesus returns and all the "born again" go to heaven, dead are raised, judgement/eternal damnation for the unbeliever - I forget the timeline of the order of events but these "predictions" come from a vision by John in the book of Revalations (last book in the bible) There are all kinds of idea of what the end times will be.
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End Times Prophecy

What does the Beast look like?

When Satan comes to earth in a visible body he will be glorious, impressive, attractive and charismatic.
People will recognize that he is stronger and more majestic than a mere human being. People will be convinced by their senses that Satan is God. The book of Revelation calls him the beast.
The beast will speak in a melodious voice and he will have friendly, loving eyes. He will be gentle and kind. His appearance will dazzle and charm people. He will be extremely powerful.
The Beast will look like God

People will believe that the beast is God. They will be entranced and drawn to him. They will have an almost irresistible desire to worship the beast.
“And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. He had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on his horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.” Revelation 13:1
When Satan comes to earth looking like God and claiming to be God, he will have seven symbolic heads. Each head will have a blasphemous name.
Blasphemy is claiming to be God when you aren’t God. Satan will claim to be God even though he is not God. He will give himself seven names that are variations of God’s name.
The 10 horns that the beast has are 10 of Satan’s leading demons. These 10 demons will be kings and rule with Satan. This is why each of them is wearing a crown.


When will the Beast come to earth?

The beast will arrive on the earth in the very near future. The whole world will quickly become aware of his coming. He will not arrive in secret.
The beast will have a supernatural and glorious arrival on earth. He will look like God. People on earth will worship him. Most people will be deceived into believing that he is God.
The beast is not God. He is Satan himself. But he will come to earth disguised as God.
There are 5 major events that will happen on earth just before the beast comes.
Worldwide Earthquake

Very soon there will be a worldwide earthquake. This major earthquake will shake the whole world. It will be accompanied by thunder, lightning and noises.
“Then the angel took the censer, filled it with fire from the altar, and threw it to the earth. And there were noises, thunderings, lightnings, and an earthquake.” Revelation 8:5
Shortly after the first worldwide earthquake there will be 4 severe calamities. They are called trumpets in the Bible. These four trumpets will devastate the earth.
Trumpet 1

“The first angel sounded: And hail and fire followed, mingled with blood, and they were thrown to the earth. And a third of the trees were burned up, and all green grass was burned up.” Revelation 8:7
A barrage of meteorites hits the earth and thousands of fires are ignited. The crops that are ready for harvest are burned up and 1/3 of the trees in the forests are burned up.
Trumpet 2

“Then the second angel sounded: And something like a great mountain burning with fire was thrown into the sea, and a third of the sea became blood. And a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.” Revelation 8:8,9
An asteroid the size of a mountain plummets into the ocean. 1/3 of the ships that are sailing on the ocean are sunk and 1/3 of the fish die. The ocean becomes like blood.
Trumpet 3

“Then the third angel sounded: And a great star fell from heaven, burning like a torch, and it fell on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water. The name of the star is Wormwood. A third of the waters became wormwood, and many men died from the water, because it was made bitter.” Revelation 8:10,11
An asteroid falls to the earth, blazing with fire. The asteroid contains a bitter contaminant. One third of the rivers and springs of water are poisoned. Many people die from drinking the water.
Trumpet 4

“Then the fourth angel sounded: And a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them were darkened. A third of the day did not shine, and likewise the night.” Revelation 8:12
One third of the sun, moon and stars are darkened and the day and night turn dark. The smoke and ejecta from the first three trumpets darkens the air and the sky.
The first four trumpets occur over the course of a few days. They cause worldwide devastation and they get the attention of everyone on the earth.
These calamities are acts of God. They are not caused by man or by Satan. It is evident that God has interrupted the lives of people on earth. People are frightened beyond description. “Is God angry with us?” they are wondering. Preachers are calling on people to repent and return to God.
The Beast comes to earth

Within a month or two after these four disasters occur, the beast will come. He will say that he is God and that people must repent of their sins and return to him. But he is not God. He is Satan and people should not worship or follow him.
The first beast in Revelation 13 is Satan, pretending to be God.
What does the Mark of the Beast
look like?


The mark of the beast will be a literal, physical combination of letters and symbols. It will be permanently and prominently engraved or tatooed on the forehead or right hand of each person who gets the mark of the beast.
The mark of the beast will include one of the beast's 666 names. Each of the 666 names will be a name for God. The beast is Satan, coming to earth, looking like God and saying that he is God. Each of his names will be blasphemous, because he is not God.

Does the mark of the beast look nice?

The mark of the beast will look attractive and beautiful. It will please the senses and will excite the admiration of those who see it. Most people who wear it will be proud to have it.
The mark will be plainly visible for all to see. Your friends and family will be able to see if you have received the mark. Your employer can look at you and see the mark. When you go shopping the store clerk will be able to see if you are wearing the mark of the beast.

He will come as Allah or Imam Mahdi to the Muslims, Maitreya Buddha to the Buddhists, Jesus Christ to the Christians, Krishna to the Hindus, Messiah to the Jews, Saoshyant to the Zoroastrians, the “Dark Lord” to satanists, and so on through the whole list of 666 names
So, how will followers "Know" if it is Satan - or their God? If he looks like and claims to be God?
Isn't God supposed to "talk" to some lucky followers and don't people claim to see God and Jesus?

The last paragraph was really interesting to me - so many claim that Jesus is THE ONLY WAY - but here they are grouping "God" into an all-encompassing being known as Buddha, Jesus, Allah, Krishna, etc - even "The Dark Lord".


???
Anyone want to decipher this and make it clearer?

Especially the "Mark of the beast" stuff - ENGRAVED? or tattooed on their forehead? Ow.
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Old 10-14-2008, 04:17 PM   #4072
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Especially the "Mark of the beast" stuff - ENGRAVED? or tattooed on their forehead? Ow.
Um, nope. Catholics don't believe in all that.

I'd never heard of any of this before SCS. Never had heard of "The Rapture" either.

And I thought I was religiously well-educated, with 12 years of Catholic school plus a Jesuit University!

Of course, the Jesuits try to teach you to think.
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Um, nope. Catholics don't believe in all that.

I'd never heard of any of this before SCS. Never had heard of "The Rapture" either.

And I thought I was religiously well-educated, with 12 years of Catholic school plus a Jesuit University!

Of course, the Jesuits try to teach you to think.
The Rapture stuff isn't in the bible. It was made up by the Protestant/Evangelicals somewhere along the line. Thus the popularity of the "Left Behind" series by Tim LaHaye.

Bill Maher on the Daily Show talked about asking the question for his movie - who is the antichrist? is he the devil? Does he work for the devil? Does the devil work for him? No one could answer him.
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Um, nope. Catholics don't believe in all that.

I'd never heard of any of this before SCS. Never had heard of "The Rapture" either.

And I thought I was religiously well-educated, with 12 years of Catholic school plus a Jesuit University!

Of course, the Jesuits try to teach you to think.

My family abandoned the church (generic protestant) years ago, but we were well trained in the Rapture. I remember being in middle school and watching a TV show about it, and being scared s***less for days...couldn't stop thinking about it. Now, I find the whole idea silly, and just a product fire-and-brimstone, scare-believers-into-submission preachers.

Although...the Mayan calendar does end in 2012, and they have predicted events with some accuracy. Of course that calendar is cyclical, so maybe it just starts over. Hmmmm....
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Hi folks. I finally made it to the movie - Religulous.

The movie is made for Atheists, it will not convert anyone - the last minute of the movie Bill says we need to be more vocal about non-belief to bring some logic to the world (save the world from those that are destroying it).

I must say, I didn't learn anything, but I don't think that was the point of the movie. I laughed a ton and shook my head in disbelief frequently. He didn't really interview anyone that was capable of debate.

Discussions with Chris are much more informative!
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Thanks, Karen! I heard some of that as criticisms, that he didn't ask "smarter" people those questions - but gee, he's a comedian, I think that was deliberate.

I would agree that it would be nice if non-believers were not persecuted. It does seem that it's just not okay to be vocal about your non-belief. You do so at your own peril. And that is not cool in this country in this day and age.
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Thanks, Karen! I heard some of that as criticisms, that he didn't ask "smarter" people those questions - but gee, he's a comedian, I think that was deliberate.

I would agree that it would be nice if non-believers were not persecuted. It does seem that it's just not okay to be vocal about your non-belief. You do so at your own peril. And that is not cool in this country in this day and age.
Yep - this was a movie for us only...to laugh collectively (though there were only 8 people in the theater, lol). And really, as we've learned from our microcosm here, those who are interested will ask, those that aren't won't change their mind with a little debate. So I don't think a serious movie will help much either.
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It does seem that it's just not okay to be vocal about your non-belief. You do so at your own peril. And that is not cool in this country in this day and age.
Amen, sister-friend!


Do you live in the bible-belt too?
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Amen, sister-friend!


Do you live in the bible-belt too?
No, I'm lucky enough to live in the Bay Area about 40 miles from San Francisco.

But I've heard/read about some people's experiences in the Bible Belt.
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Hi, Well put, I think the same, it is the cause of religions which makes all the wars. I lived in the formerly know west New Guinea. I have seen the mission working there. Who gives them the right to tell to the papoea,s that there religion is the right one. It is sad to confuse those lovely people. There were about 6 different religions working in Papoea, they all claim to have the right god????
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