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Old 07-31-2013, 04:19 PM   #2561
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The Freedom from Religion Foundation and I believe American Atheists have come out opposing an OH Holocaust Memorial on government property because it includes a Star of David.

The memorial will be on the grounds of the OH Statehouse. I heard something about this a few days ago and did question whether it was reasonable. When I think of The Holocaust I think of the Jews. Yes, there were many others who died as well. The Memorial does include those in the inscription.

This is the inscription (at least part of it): Inspired by the Ohio soldiers who were part of the American liberation and survivors who made Ohio their home.

If you save one life, it is as if you have saved the world.
In remembrance of the six million Jews who perished in the Holocaust and millions more including prisoners of war, ethnic and religious minorities, homosexuals, the mentally ill, the disabled, and political dissidents were suffered under Nazi Germany.


I can't find anything about it on the ffrf website. This post scienceblogs.com/insolence/2013/07/31/th...-holocaust-memorial/ on Respectful Insolence is challenging the objections. I do know Xtians also say that the cross is a just a "cultural image" but wouldn't this open the door to more crosses on public land?

I am of a divided mind about this. Anyone else have an opinion?
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I guess I don't mind that kind of stuff (crosses and stars of David) on public land. They are allowing symbols of two different religions after all. I mean, I don't care about crosses on public land either. Even stuff like National Day of Prayer (or whatever Jan Brewer in AZ is trying to do - or has done??) doesn't bother me. As long as I am not obligated to pray. Now it WOULD bother me if symbols of Christianity and Judaism were allowed, but symbols of ...say Islam or Buddhism (or whatever other religion) were NOT allowed.
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Sophie, I do post back. I also post progressive political stuff but no one seems to engage me on that. I also reply to email forwards I get that I find racist, sexist etc. I particularly love to point out to them when Snopes says it's not true! It's surprising (I guess it shouldn't be) how many people forward stuff without much thought. Spending more time around my much loved little brother is getting a little annoying when I know his news source is mostly Fox. He rarely has facts to back up his opinions. My family has always avoided conflict. I guess I'm getting older and don't worry as much about putting my opinions out there.
Oh okay. Glad to hear that. I just automatically assumed that you were annoyed because you weren't posting back - I assumed that because that is why I myself was extremely annoyed (actually, angry and furious) because I WASN'T posting back.

I don't know much about Fox - but I do know about CBN. A friend of mine uses CBN for his news source. I like to read some of CBN's articles and then read a mainstream article to compare. So far, for the few articles I've checked, they seem to be okay. It's just that the surrounding ads all have a pro-Christian bent. Also once or twice they ran stories which were true (I found similar articles in the stories' hometown news sites), but which the mainstream media didn't bother to pick up (one was about an atheist teacher making fun of a Christian girl and her Christian t-shirt; I forgot the other one).
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I guess I don't mind that kind of stuff (crosses and stars of David) on public land. They are allowing symbols of two different religions after all. I mean, I don't care about crosses on public land either. Even stuff like National Day of Prayer (or whatever Jan Brewer in AZ is trying to do - or has done??) doesn't bother me. As long as I am not obligated to pray. Now it WOULD bother me if symbols of Christianity and Judaism were allowed, but symbols of ...say Islam or Buddhism (or whatever other religion) were NOT allowed.
I care in the sense of "give them an inch" -- In other words, I don't want our government endorsing any religion. It's not whether it "bothers" me or whether I find it offensive. I don't want it to get started.


So - I object when I can.
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against the display of 31 crosses which are 6ft tall on public waterfront of Evansville IN. for 4 weeks. Confusion still reigns because her decision leaves the door open for smaller less obtrusive displays. Article HERE

This one is a no-brainer.
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against the display of 31 crosses which are 6ft tall on public waterfront of Evansville IN. for 4 weeks. Confusion still reigns because her decision leaves the door open for smaller less obtrusive displays. Article HERE

This one is a no-brainer as far as church-state separation IMHO.
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I care in the sense of "give them an inch" -- In other words, I don't want our government endorsing any religion. It's not whether it "bothers" me or whether I find it offensive. I don't want it to get started.


So - I object when I can.
It's worth noting that there were 2 other designs the committee could have chosen that did not have a Star of David on them.
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Martha, very interesting. I was also rather confused, but the last bit kind of hit me:

ACLU attorney Gavin Rose said it was "disconcerting" that Vonderahe and Wischer were trying to figure out what would be an acceptable display of a religious message on public land.

"I certainly don't think that was the point of this case or the judge's decision," Rose said.

Read more here: INDIANAPOLIS: Judge blocks 31 Evansville crosses on public land | National Politics | The State

Yeah it's like they don't "get it" that public endorsement of religion should be avoided. Instead, they are trying to figure out how to "get around" the prohibition.
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Kind of tempting to get some group to apply, immediately after some city does this, for an exact duplicate kind of set up, that instead is for the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

See how that goes over.
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Do you all remember when we had those terrible tornadoes here in Oklahoma a few months ago? There was a young woman from Moore, Oklahoma who was interviewed on TV by Wolfe Blitzer. She caused quite a stir when she said she was an atheist. Here is an article in the Oklahoma Gazette this week with more about that, and about atheists in Oklahoma:

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Do you all remember when we had those terrible tornadoes here in Oklahoma a few months ago? There was a young woman from Moore, Oklahoma who was interviewed on TV by Wolfe Blitzer. She caused quite a stir when she said she was an atheist. Here is an article in the Oklahoma Gazette this week with more about that, and about atheists in Oklahoma:

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I think Foundation Beyond Belief also ended up collecting several hundred thousand dollars for the woman. She kept some of the money and donated the rest to general tornado relief.
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I think Foundation Beyond Belief also ended up collecting several hundred thousand dollars for the woman. She kept some of the money and donated the rest to general tornado relief.
Rebecca is a lovely young woman, and is friends with my granddaughter.
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I can't believe this. Obama Administration Backs Prayer at Local Public Meetings.

In the current case, the Obama administration has told the court that Greece's (NY) practice should not be considered an endorsement. The town council's opening of its meetings with a Christian prayer "does not amount to an unconstitutional establishment of religion merely because most prayer-givers are Christian and many or most of their prayers contain sectarian references," wrote U.S. Solicitor Gen. Donald Verrilli Jr.

Is it the Dem's pandering to the religious? Or what?
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I can't believe this. Obama Administration Backs Prayer at Local Public Meetings.

In the current case, the Obama administration has told the court that Greece's (NY) practice should not be considered an endorsement. The town council's opening of its meetings with a Christian prayer "does not amount to an unconstitutional establishment of religion merely because most prayer-givers are Christian and many or most of their prayers contain sectarian references," wrote U.S. Solicitor Gen. Donald Verrilli Jr.

Is it the Dem's pandering to the religious? Or what?
I wouldn't mind this IF someone from another religion (Islam?) also wanted to offer up a prayer beforehand... if all prayers from all religions were equally welcome.
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I wouldn't mind this IF someone from another religion (Islam?) also wanted to offer up a prayer beforehand... if all prayers from all religions were equally welcome.
As the article says, this could have far-reaching consequences. The fact that SCOTUS took the case is worrisome enough. If the officials want to pray, let them meet privately in the hall way or in another room.before the government meeting.

If they're going to do it, they should be required to have prayers from any "church" that has a presence in their town. I suppose that would be considered promoting religion.

Perhaps I shouldn't care since I don't go to too many public meetings and when I do, it's to discuss a specific issue. I wonder what conservative group is paying for the defense?
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Thumbs up Pulpit Politicking

Good news for separation of church and state. A Judge is allowing is allowing the Freedom from Religion Foundation to go forward with their suit against the IRS for ignoring pulpit politicking. Long overdue IMHO.

I remember 10 years ago at a Catholic church being handed a printed postcard to urge Congress to overturn abortion laws. I guess they thought it was Ok because we would have to put our own postage on it.
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Do I have bad breath or are you all just busy? Lol
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LOL I've been making cards!
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Oh! You mean actually doing the craft instead of just talking about it?!

Do you sell your cards or take special orders for invitations or such?
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I have been in Germany! My partner's brother got married there so we went for the wedding and a holiday. While there we spent a day in France and a day in Switzerland. I hadn't been to continental Europe before, it makes New Zealand seem a very young country.
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I have been in Germany! My partner's brother got married there so we went for the wedding and a holiday. While there we spent a day in France and a day in Switzerland. I hadn't been to continental Europe before, it makes New Zealand seem a very young country.
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Do you sell your cards or take special orders for invitations or such?
I make cards for my sister's kids! You know, the religious one? She only just recently allowed me to include fairies!! Hurray!! Her standards are slipping with every child! < rubbing my hands in eager anticipation >

Once in a while I will take a special order very reluctantly. A co-worker will ask me if I can make a card, but I don't like doing that, so every time I'm asked, I jack up the price. It's up to $8/card now. Next time I'm asked, it'll be $10/card, until they stop asking. Then I pile on the requirements. I ask if they mind if the card is heavy on pinks, pastels, vintage looks, girliness, glitter. Etc. etc. At any time if they indicate that they DO mind, then I won't make a card for them, no matter how much they pay. I'll also ask them if they have any special requests. If they have one where I don't have the stamps (like Disney princesses), I'll also refuse. Basically, if it's not a card that I would LOVE LOVE LOVE making, I'll refuse to make it. I'm getting old and must learn to savour all my spare time!!

I also used to make some cards for a friend who likes sending cards to soldiers through Operation Write Home. But I'm also cutting back on that because I prefer to make cards for my nephews and nieces than for strangers (soldiers and their families).

Oh dear, sorry for being so long-winded!!
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I make cards for my sister's kids! You know, the religious one? She only just recently allowed me to include fairies!! Hurray!! Her standards are slipping with every child! < rubbing my hands in eager anticipation >

Once in a while I will take a special order very reluctantly. A co-worker will ask me if I can make a card, but I don't like doing that, so every time I'm asked, I jack up the price. It's up to $8/card now. Next time I'm asked, it'll be $10/card, until they stop asking. Then I pile on the requirements. I ask if they mind if the card is heavy on pinks, pastels, vintage looks, girliness, glitter. Etc. etc. At any time if they indicate that they DO mind, then I won't make a card for them, no matter how much they pay. I'll also ask them if they have any special requests. If they have one where I don't have the stamps (like Disney princesses), I'll also refuse. Basically, if it's not a card that I would LOVE LOVE LOVE making, I'll refuse to make it. I'm getting old and must learn to savour all my spare time!!

I also used to make some cards for a friend who likes sending cards to soldiers through Operation Write Home. But I'm also cutting back on that because I prefer to make cards for my nephews and nieces than for strangers (soldiers and their families).

Oh dear, sorry for being so long-winded!!
You must have lots of nieces and nephews! I like your thinking on prices and requests.
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I like your feelings about cards too. When my first child started school, a friend told me I'd be getting asked to watch kids because I stayed at home. I said, they won't like my prices. She said why? I said, A hundred dollars an hour? lol

Basically I didn't want to watch other kids.
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Like that's ever going to happen! Did you see the thing recently? What state was it? Where they wanted private schools to get government help, until a muslim school applied for help? Then the truth came out. They were all for it, but only if it was just christian schools getting help.
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I remember that. Louisiana, maybe. Idiots.
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Hi ladies! Long time no chit chat I had to come on here in search of some snappy comebacks for conversations going on in my little corner of the world because some people just don't get it. We have been in the local news these days because there is a plan to double our property taxes this year. (Now, when I say "double" it means going from paying $11 a month to paying $24. Lovin' the rural living!) soooo anyway, there was a neighbor who said that she would love to attend the city council meetings and such but if she has to sit through another "I would like to start by thanking our heavenly father" that she might just throw up. Well you would have thought she murdered someone's child! OH! "Why is it so wrong to be thankful for what we have?" "Why is it so wrong to want peace and harmony in our city" "Why is it so wrong to pray for safety when we drive to and from meetings" "If you don't want to pray, you don't have to...you can just sit there and make up your grocery list, no one is forcing you to pray". They just don't get it. Then you have Mr. Civil Rights pipe in and say that "Separation of church and state does NOT mean that we can't pray, it means that we can't have a national or state sanctioned religion, we can pray if we want to" and "If you don't want to hear the prayer, why can't you just come in 5 minutes later than the meeting is scheduled to start?". HA! I tried to convince some that it was not a matter of civil rights as much as it is a matter of bad taste. Imagine if I wanted to start each meeting with a Sarah McLaughlan Arms of the Angels abused pet sermon...I have every right to do that but, really, not everyone wants to hear it and it has nothing to do with the goings on of our fair city. That was met with a resounding huff/eye roll combo and went back to "I just don't understand what is so wrong with being grateful and asking for guidance, that's what's wrong with people today, everyone gets offended by the littlest thing, where are our rights?" Oh my hell. Jeezus save meh.
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Old 09-12-2013, 05:57 AM   #2591
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"Why is it so wrong to be thankful for what we have?" "Why is it so wrong to want peace and harmony in our city" "Why is it so wrong to pray for safety when we drive to and from meetings" "If you don't want to pray, you don't have to...you can just sit there and make up your grocery list, no one is forcing you to pray". They just don't get it. Then you have Mr. Civil Rights pipe in and say that "Separation of church and state does NOT mean that we can't pray, it means that we can't have a national or state sanctioned religion, we can pray if we want to" and "If you don't want to hear the prayer, why can't you just come in 5 minutes later than the meeting is scheduled to start?". HA! I tried to convince some that it was not a matter of civil rights as much as it is a matter of bad taste. Imagine if I wanted to start each meeting with a Sarah McLaughlan Arms of the Angels abused pet sermon...I have every right to do that but, really, not everyone wants to hear it and it has nothing to do with the goings on of our fair city. That was met with a resounding huff/eye roll combo and went back to "I just don't understand what is so wrong with being grateful and asking for guidance, that's what's wrong with people today, everyone gets offended by the littlest thing, where are our rights?" Oh my hell. Jeezus save meh.
Don't know if you've already tried this. I think the easiest retort is "so you'd also be OK with a rabbi, an Imam, a Sikh, or a humanist speaking/praying before meetings?" No? That's what's wrong! Just as you would not wish to hear those prayers, others don't want to feel excluded from the community.

Also, it's not about majority rule, it's about individual rights that protect everyone. I just thought of another one. No one is saying you can't pray. You also have the right to pray silently before, during or after a meeting.

Looking for a video relating to this I was distressed to see that some communities not too far from mine are looking at adding prayers!
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Of course Obama has come out in favor of prayer before meetings.

Obama Administration, GOP Agree On Opening Prayers Case : The Two-Way : NPR
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You must all emigrate to New Zealand. We don't even pray before RUGBY GAMES.
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That stuff makes me crazy!

Well, I'm back from a long trip to south Florida, then Atlanta, then PA. Originally planned to drive home from Atlanta with DD, and IF WE HAD, I was going to probably get to meet Bugga in OK. But noooooo, DD decided to stay in Atlanta, so we'll have to figure a way to ship the rest of her stuff - eventually - and DH and I flew back instead.

But I woke up yesterday morning in my bed, wondering where all the people and animals were. ha ha ha GONE!!! Saw more rain in the Florida portion in short bursts than I have in 15 years in northern Cal! And the humidity, oh the humidity! My goodness it was nice to leave that behind.

Anyway my internet access was exceedingly limited but it's good to be back.
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You must all emigrate to New Zealand. We don't even pray before RUGBY GAMES.
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Do you have to sing your national anthem before rugby games?

You have to be patriotic, not religious to attend professional ball games around here.
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Do you have to sing your national anthem before rugby games?

You have to be patriotic, not religious to attend professional ball games around here.
We don't sing the national anthem but rugby would be the closest thing to religion in NZ.
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Hello!
I had no idea this thread existed, I found it in a random pile of results from a search. Posting to subscribe, and I hope that I get some time soon to trawl back through and get to know you all. I am an atheist, always have been. I try to be a good and ethical person, and I don't think you need to be a believer to be a good person - after all, it's not what you believe, it's how you behave that counts. From recent press, it would seem that the current Pope would agree - I have hope that this might lead to more harmony and kindness in the world. Have a great day everyone!
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Hi Michelle and welcome from god-forsaken New Zealand! I am an athiest too and I totally agree with you that ethical behaviour has nothing to do with religion. Now that you have found us, do pop in often!
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Welcome, Michelle! It's nice to have a new face. Er, username! I'm always curious to hear from people who've always been an atheist, to contrast with my early indoctrination into being a Catholic back in the 50s, and not bothering to consider the reality until I was in my 50s! Now it amazes me that I didn't see it sooner. But I guess when you just don't think about the possibility of no god, that's what happens!
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Welcome, Michelle -
I think I'll steal the thought behind "it's not what you believe, it's how you behave" as a signature line! Do you want credit?

That's the truth, though, isn't it? If your beliefs inspire you to cause (mental/physical/ethical) harm to other persons, is that correct *behavior*???
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