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Old 11-27-2012, 03:56 PM   #1961
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This sounds like a plan. Xine I shall be for the rest of the year.

"You can't take the 'X' out of Xine." Yeah. That's right. I said it.
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OK, I hereby, by the authority vested in my by no one (or the Flying Spaghetti Monster, depending on your level of orthodoxy), xten you Xtine
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I find this ironic and, perhaps, predictably inconsistent:

Chick-fil-A sticks with 'holiday', understandably; AFA continues to ignore it, hypocritically - Good As You:: Gay and Lesbian Activism With a Sense of Humor


Anyone who says "holiday" instead of "Christmas" is naughty, except for Chick-fil-a.....


Xtine, you are naughty regardless
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OK, I hereby, by the authority vested in my by no one (or the Flying Spaghetti Monster, depending on your level of orthodoxy), xten you Xtine
The other day, here in my little corner of the Bible belt, I saw a car with a Flying Spaghetti Monster emblem on the back. I wanted to honk and wave like a crazy person and make them pull over to see if we could be BFFs, but I restrained myself. But it did make me smile for quite awhile.

I bought a Darwin fish emblem a long time ago, but was afraid to put it on my car. Maybe I'll get a FSM instead. Perhaps it's a little bit more discrete.
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Get a FSM emblem, that way you will make the connections without raising ire.
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OK, I hereby, by the authority vested in my by no one (or the Flying Spaghetti Monster, depending on your level of orthodoxy), xten you Xtine
Actually, I think you would xen her Xine.
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Actually, I think you would xen her Xine.
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I'm here! I've just been busy is all. I have enough time to read and laugh, but not always enough time to post. You guys are so funny. Xine and FSMs! LOL
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The other day, here in my little corner of the Bible belt, I saw a car with a Flying Spaghetti Monster emblem on the back. I wanted to honk and wave like a crazy person and make them pull over to see if we could be BFFs, but I restrained myself. But it did make me smile for quite awhile.

I bought a Darwin fish emblem a long time ago, but was afraid to put it on my car. Maybe I'll get a FSM instead. Perhaps it's a little bit more discrete.
A few months ago, I saw a Human Rights Campaign sticker on a car and I felt very happy for quite a while as well! It's just a blue and yellow sticker with an equal sign, and I have one, but I was also too afraid to put it on my car.
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I have a bumper sticker that has Harpo, Zeppo, Chico and Karl on it. It says, Yea, Im a Marxist. It is the only one I have added myself. My nephew has put a bunch of college freshman-type socialist bumper stickers on my car.
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A few months ago, I saw a Human Rights Campaign sticker on a car and I felt very happy for quite a while as well! It's just a blue and yellow sticker with an equal sign, and I have one, but I was also too afraid to put it on my car.
Oh Sophie, I am so sad that this is the case. To be too scared to show support for Human Rights is to be living under the worst sort of oppression. Land of the Free? I don't think so.
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It is sad that a person has to feel uneasy about showing their convictions. Over the last 5 years or so there has appeared a large number of people who take pride in having no compassion for others. In fact, they state that lack of compassion as proof that they are a person of superior worth.
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I've been extremely busy waging a war on religious holidays.

That, or I've been busy at work. At home, I've been putting up my tree and other decorations. I love all the lights!
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Need your wise and expert advice . . . I have a pretty, blank card that I am going to use for a baby baptism that we have to go to tomorrow. I need some help figuring out what to write in it. Here are the factors:

- even though I'm an agnostic now, I was raised Anabaptist, so baby baptisms, shall we say -- not my thing. Therefore, I cannot fake it, and will not be writing any Catholic or "godly" messages.

- I also don't want to say "welcome baby," or any of that kind of stuff, because 1) I don't think you're supposed to say that for a baptism anyway, and 2) the mother is 16 years old and this is her second baby in two years. I really want to just give her some information on birth control! No, I don't think this baby is a "blessing," and no, I'm not happy for her.

But I'd like to say something better than just "thinking of you on your special day." Ideas, anyone? If anyone will have an idea, it will be the rubber stamping atheist bunch!
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I'd probably go with something along the lines of "Congratulations on the baptism of your son/daughter." It's not your belief system (or mine, obviously!), but it's an important day for her, so you're just congratulating her on the milestone in her life.
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I'd probably go with something along the lines of "Congratulations on the baptism of your son/daughter." It's not your belief system (or mine, obviously!), but it's an important day for her, so you're just congratulating her on the milestone in her life.
Thanks! I had thought that that seemed like I was somehow endorsing the whole thing (Catholicism + what-the-hell-are-you-doing?), but you're right, and I don't have to look at it that way. I guess it would be wrong to add a comment like "dear baby, I hope the Catholic principles work out for you as well as they worked out for your mother." No, that would be bad, wouldn't it. Can you tell I'm bitter about having to attend this?

For the record, I think this event is for the grandparents (seems funny to call people my age grandparents, but hey, it happens).
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How about: "Wishing you and your new child (son/daughter) all the best as you go through life."
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"dear baby, I hope the Catholic principles work out for you as well as they worked out for your mother." .
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How about: "Wishing you and your new child (son/daughter) all the best as you go through life."
That's good - I like it! I couldn't think of a thing... Well, except something along the lines of what Nickelini already thought ( "dear baby, I hope the Catholic principles work out for you as well as they worked out for your mother." ) LOL - yeah, not exactly right
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How about: "Wishing you and your new child (son/daughter) all the best as you go through life."
Thanks! That's very nice. I'm going to make a combination of the two.

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Do any of you decorate for the holidays? My decorations are mostly secular (I love Christmas lights so we have the house lit-up like the 4th of July on our street and I add 5 strands of colored lights to my prelit tree!) but I do put out a Nativity scene on my bookcase every year. It's a Willow Tree set that my mom bought me over the course of a few years and I just love it. After all the conversations on this thread over these past several months and the soul-searching I've done this year, I honestly felt a little hypocritical putting it up last night. I kept thinking to myself, "What would my SCS people say?" However, the set is important because it's a gift from my mom and as I look at it now, I think of Jesus as a metaphor and an example. He had parents struggling to provide for him, was born into a cold, cruel world and according to the stories he did not become bitter. He welcomed the fringe elements of society and was inclusive. Perhaps if people could be more "Christ-like" instead of Christian, I wouldn't have such a difficult time with organized religion.

So at this house, it's a well lit tree and yard, stockings on the bookshelf (no fireplace!), cookies for Santa, and a Nativity set. Ohh and this year 2 poinsettias, one blue and one purple!
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I think the assocations with your nativity set are just lovely and you should definitely keep putting it up each year. My parents were both athiest (as I am and my four siblings) but while we were children we did the entire Christmas bit and there were lots of rituals associated with the preparations which I still remember with great fondness. For example we lived in a small town near a commercial pine plantation and each year Dad would take us kids in the stationwagon along one of the forestry roads to find a wilding pine to cut as our Christmas tree. Back home Mum would help us decorate it and we had a tinsel star which it was Dad's job to put on at the very last, on the vert top of tree. There was nativity set that went on the fireplace mantel, and we kids would take it in turns each year to set it up.
My partner (also athiest) and I never had kids so we didn't keep up the family traditions of decorating at Christmas time. I put up Christmas cards over the fireplace but we don't do a tree or lights or presents. None of this is missed, just fondly remembered.
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Do any of you decorate for the holidays? My decorations are mostly secular (I love Christmas lights so we have the house lit-up like the 4th of July on our street and I add 5 strands of colored lights to my prelit tree!) but I do put out a Nativity scene on my bookcase every year. It's a Willow Tree set that my mom bought me over the course of a few years and I just love it. After all the conversations on this thread over these past several months and the soul-searching I've done this year, I honestly felt a little hypocritical putting it up last night. I kept thinking to myself, "What would my SCS people say?" However, the set is important because it's a gift from my mom and as I look at it now, I think of Jesus as a metaphor and an example. He had parents struggling to provide for him, was born into a cold, cruel world and according to the stories he did not become bitter. He welcomed the fringe elements of society and was inclusive. Perhaps if people could be more "Christ-like" instead of Christian, I wouldn't have such a difficult time with organized religion.

So at this house, it's a well lit tree and yard, stockings on the bookshelf (no fireplace!), cookies for Santa, and a Nativity set. Ohh and this year 2 poinsettias, one blue and one purple!
I guess if I had to give myself a label, I would say I am an agnostic, leaning toward atheist. I really try to practice the doctrine of "Live and Let Live" in my life, so I hardly ever engage in outright discussions about religion unless the person is like-minded.

That said, Christmas has always been my favorite holiday and I decorate for the season. I love the spirit of peace, goodwill and giving at Christmas time. I tend to like lights, Santa Claus and polar bears and snowmen. I don't own a nativity set, and probably will never buy one for myself, but if I had one with sentimental meaning like you do, I would put it out with my other decorations.

I have quite a few young grandchildren, and they love coming to Grandma's house and seeing the familiar decorations every year.
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We celebrate a combo of solstice and secular xmas, with some sprinkles of Swedish and English traditions. We also have brisket and latkes for Hannukah - that started because Jane shared her latke recipe and my mom and I loved it, but I also feel it's important for my kids to understand other people's holiday traditions. When we were on the East Coast they knew many people with different traditions - here it's Christian, Christian-for-Christmas-and-Easter, or Santa secular Christmas.

I like to have lights up outside but the weather hasn't cooperated the last couple years - too rainy/windy/snowy on the weekend my husband was here before xmas.


We put electric candles in the windows per New England (so pretty!), string some Victorian cat garlands (hard to describe) that we bought in England our first xmas together, and make traditional Swedish and English xmas cookies to eat and share. Oh, and tunbrod (Swedish) and lefse (Norwegian) - they're flatbreads and we only make them at xmas even though they're really tasty. Pickled herring is put out but only my mother eats it, so that's a tradition that will be dying this generation, LOL.


We have a tree decorated with lights and decorations as old as me - I give the kids each a new decoration each year so they'll have some decorations to bring with them when they setup housekeeping.


My mom puts out the old nativity set at her house. My kids call baby Jesus "the baby in the manger" - they know the story, but to them it's just a playset with movable pieces - they argue about whose turn it is to choose locations for each piece.


So yes, we decorate, and we still have vestiges of xtian traditions in our celebration because they are our family traditions. We don't make Jesus the reason for the season - our reason for the season is family and tradition and remembrance .
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We put up a tree and lights every year. There are no crosses or nativities, no pictures of Jesus or Bethlehem or anything like that. I don't see any problem with it and, while I used to wonder if I was being a hypocrite, I don't any more. I now look at it the same as hearts & flowers on Valentine's Day. I don't believe in Jesus any more than I do a flying Cupid that shoots arrows so I don't think that there is anything wrong with what I am doing at Christmas. Winter is my favorite season, I love cold weather and snow, I love hot chocolate and heavy blankets...Christmas is just a part of winter for me Lights and trees and presents and for a short time out of the year, everyone wishing everyone else good cheer
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A nativity is not something I'd want but I can understand why you do Raquelito. It's something that holds memories.

My Xmas decorations have been low key the last few years. My kids are grown and not usually here for holidays. I have a lighted faux pine garland over my fireplace. with some red and gold bead chains wrapped around it. That makes me feel festive. I have a small wall hung lighted tree. A few elves on my shelves. That's about it.

I do struggle with listening to Xmas music. I guess it's just another cultural thing but I don't listen to it much. The real reason I liked to go to church is that I liked to sing lol!
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During the holidays I have a harp CD with (no lyric) xmas songs, some Renaissance CDs, and Paul Winter Consort CDs (ooh), plus some recordings in which I sang (college choirs plus a couple semi-professional groups I was in after college). One of my favorite recordings, though, is a German language one I got when I was 14, taking German at a language school. So fun to sing "Wandern zerch ein weissen winterwald" instead of "Walking through a Winter Wonderland"
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As I'm a fairly recent atheist, I do have lots of decorations, including a lovely Nativity I got about 20-25 years ago, over a couple of years. I usually put it on a hall shelf. It fits great, there are extra people, too, besides the wise men and camels and sheep and shepherds, and musicians....


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My mom puts out the old nativity set at her house. My kids call baby Jesus "the baby in the manger" - they know the story, but to them it's just a playset with movable pieces - they argue about whose turn it is to choose locations for each piece.
My kids like to put the crib on the roof of the stable, along with some sheep.


I have no problem with a secular Christmas. I have a Jewish friend who would celebrate Christmas, with a tree, Santa, and gifts. Nothing religious. With the commercialism today, it's easy. If someone wants to do a simple religious-only holiday, they certainly can, but those of us who want to enjoy the "spirit" shouldn't have to feel like we can't play because we don't believe.


If that were true, there would be no Black Friday or Santa at the mall.
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Old 12-02-2012, 04:15 PM   #1993
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It's interesting to see how some of you deal with Xmas. I got fed up with the commercialism, the "How to Survive the Holidays" articles, all the emphasis on decorating,etc. a lot of years ago. It got to where I try to avoid the stores from Nov. on! This was when I was still religious and couldn't see what all that had to with Jesus being born. Store clerks always ask "Are you ready for xmas yet?" Since I don't do anything much anymore, I guess the answer would be "yes"! I send money to the grandkids since they're all in their teens or grown and pretty hard to buy for.
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[QUOTE=Stampin Wrose;19862148]As I'm a fairly recent atheist, I do have lots of decorations, including a lovely Nativity I got about 20-25 years ago, over a couple of years. I usually put it on a hall shelf. It fits great, there are extra people, too, besides the wise men and camels and sheep and shepherds, and musicians....
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Funny about the extra people and everyone's stories of rearranging the figurines. Both of my DDs preferred the little sheep to anything else and my 4yo is currently putting all my Willow Tree figurines with the Nativity. The pregnant woman, the sisters, the mi casa figure....all getting to participate!
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I've done less and less over the years, but my husband and daughter usually take the lead on decorating. DD gets out all the standing stuff and puts it all over the house, and DH starts the tree with lights then recruits all the helpers he can for decorating.

DH has to have Christmas pudding just as he insists on certain other foods on holidays (hot crossed buns at easter) - he's very traditional, though mostly an unbeliever (he believes in some supernatural things like ghosts but not in a patriarchal god nor in organized religion).


DD looooves decorating. She just made my son go with her to the attic (she was afraid to go by herself) to get the countdown calendar. It's a wooden house with 24 little boxes and a tree/santa/elf/presents diorama on which they hang ornaments that come out of the little boxes. Oh yeah, it's an advent calendar (except very secular!).
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Rachel - we have homemade felted sheep and alpacas that join the porcelain figures

One of the lines I laugh out loud at in the movie "Love, Actually" is when Emma Thompson's daughter tells her mother the role she's been given in the school nativity play - a 15 second video of the scene: Love Actually - I'm the lobster! - YouTube


Makes me laugh every time.
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This reminds me of a Star Trek episode....
 
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Funny about the extra people and everyone's stories of rearranging the figurines. Both of my DDs preferred the little sheep to anything else and my 4yo is currently putting all my Willow Tree figurines with the Nativity. The pregnant woman, the sisters, the mi casa figure....all getting to participate!
Kids! They are so funny.
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We had a lot of weather this past week. Lots of wind and rain. Some flooding where it floods when this happens, nothing major.

One woman on the news said that God was on her side, as her home didn't flood.

I started thinking about that. Obviously, I would say, "I was lucky."

The problem with saying God was on her side, it seems, is the implication that God abandoned her neighbors. I wouldn't actually ask her, but does she ask why God favored her over another?

It makes more sense to me to say you're lucky even if you're a believer; otherwise you are portraying your god as capricious, perhaps, or taking sides, even. Weird.

Anyone else here ever think things like this? Sometimes an innocent statement just gets me thinking.
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Yes, I think of that, too, Kathy.

My mind boggles when sports teams pray for victory. Which team wins proves God's power??? Again, boggle.
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We had a lot of weather this past week. Lots of wind and rain. Some flooding where it floods when this happens, nothing major.

One woman on the news said that God was on her side, as her home didn't flood.

I started thinking about that. Obviously, I would say, "I was lucky."

The problem with saying God was on her side, it seems, is the implication that God abandoned her neighbors. I wouldn't actually ask her, but does she ask why God favored her over another?

It makes more sense to me to say you're lucky even if you're a believer; otherwise you are portraying your god as capricious, perhaps, or taking sides, even. Weird.

Anyone else here ever think things like this? Sometimes an innocent statement just gets me thinking.
I wonder about this every time I see tornado damage or some other natural disaster in the US on our news and someone says they thank god their house was spared. If someone was interviewed that lost their house then they thank god they were spared. Conveniently, those who lose their lives aren't around to say anything. Then there is the 'god moves in mysterious ways' and 'he is testing me' arguments. I get so annoyed at this slippery type of illogic.
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