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Old 04-16-2012, 11:27 AM   #1441
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I'm not an atheist. I'm just a follower of Reason.
I love the believer, hate the belief.
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Ah, ya beat me to it! How about "My doc will cure my child." or "My child isn't dying for lack of my taking her to the doctor. It's just science's will.

WWJD? or WWRD? What Would Reason(able person) Do?
or What Would Richard(Dawkins) Do?

Instead of PUSH-Pray Until Something Happens,Reason Until Something Happens! RUSH. Oh, that name has some unfortunate associations. Best think again LOL
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Ah, ya beat me to it! How about "My doc will cure my child." or "My child isn't dying for lack of my taking her to the doctor. It's just science's will.

WWJD? or WWRD? What Would Reason(able person) Do?
or What Would Richard(Dawkins) Do?

Instead of PUSH-Pray Until Something Happens,Reason Until Something Happens! RUSH. Oh, that name has some unfortunate associations. Best think again LOL
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I love the believer, hate the belief.
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I just found a parking spot up front! Thank random chance!
Google Maps is my co-pilot!
Oh boy that's great!
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I loved these from GloomCookie613

Hail Marinara,
Full of sauce,
The Noodle is with you.

Blessed are you among sauces,
And blessed is the fruit of the tomato.
Holy Marinara,
Mother of sauce,
Pray for our dinners.
Now and at the hour of our Noms.
Ramen.

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Our noodle,
That art in the kitchen.
Hallowed be thine strain.

Give us, this day, our daily breadsticks,
And forgive those who would bogart our carbs
As we forgive those who empty the basket.
Lead us not into the kid's menu,
But deliver us the wine list.

For thine is the noodle,
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And the appetizers,
Forever and ever...
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[QUOTE=AlysonRR;19357131]I just saw this and thought some of you might want to participate:

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Thanks for the link. Here is my effort - hope to win a t-shirt!

(my brother-in-law has a new pizza oven)

From the Book of Neil
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Neil created the dough and He formed the dough
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And the oven did burn hot.
Neil spread the sauce and added the seasonings
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And the pizza did cook.
A sprinkling of rosemary
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And He saw that it was good.
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Google Maps is my co-pilot!
I laughed and laughed at all the comments!!!!!!!
"As for me and my house we will serve the fettucini alfredo"!!! LOL
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So, my question of the hour is this: When holiday or sympathy cards go out, what sort of cards do you make? My dilema has always been whether or not to use a religious sentiment because of the person I am sending the card to. I feel kind of silly stamping a bible verse or something of the like on a card; but then the other side of me says that if the recipient believes, why not just stamp it right on there What do you do?
That's always a dilemma isn't it - because stamp SETS always seem to come with "religious" verses with them - especially sympathy and winter holiday. It chokes me to stamp some of those things - so I don't. I've been getting by with "season's greetings", happy holidays and love & peace.

I think next year I'm going with the poster who said "Happy New Year". I wonder if there's a stamp for that?
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So, my question of the hour is this: When holiday or sympathy cards go out, what sort of cards do you make? My dilema has always been whether or not to use a religious sentiment because of the person I am sending the card to. I feel kind of silly stamping a bible verse or something of the like on a card; but then the other side of me says that if the recipient believes, why not just stamp it right on there What do you do?
I try my best not to buy any stamp sets with religious connotations or verses. For holidays--strictly funny cards. Snowmen, Santa, snowflakes, birds, etc. If I can't find a stamp with the sentiment I want, I type it up on the computer and go from there.

If the card is intended for an older generation relative or friend, I keep the "funny" snow white. For younger folks, maybe a bit risque.

Most of the time my family also gives me funny cards--from an old birthday card from my youngest:
Happy Birthday to the woman
who taught me to eat my ears,
wash behind my underwear, and always wear clean vegetables.

And you thought I wasn't listening!

Lately she's been giving me sentimental cards. Not sure I like 'em nearly as well, but I'm a bit on the warped side... .

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That was me that uses 'Happy New Year', glad you liked it! I always post my New Years cards on New Years Day - writing them in the morning and then walking up the quiet streets (it is a public holiday in New Zealand) to post them, which is a nice little ritual to start the year with. I have realised it is much easier to send cards on a particular day than having to time them to arrive at different places on a particular day. I still get Christmas cards from friends and that is fine, and in fact by sending out my cards a week after Christmas, if I get a card from someone I wasn't expecting, I have time to organise a New Years card for them! I have not seen a stamp saying Happy New Year so I just write it.
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Holy Marinara,
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Now and at the hour of our Noms.
Ramen.
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So, my question of the hour is this: When holiday or sympathy cards go out, what sort of cards do you make? My dilema has always been whether or not to use a religious sentiment because of the person I am sending the card to. I feel kind of silly stamping a bible verse or something of the like on a card; but then the other side of me says that if the recipient believes, why not just stamp it right on there What do you do?
I don't ever use religious verses or actual scripture on my cards, no matter what the occasion, or who I'm sending the card to. I would feel pretty much like a hypocrite if I did that.

I don't discuss religion much, even with my close friends. They know our family does not attend church, but through the years I've attended many religious ceremonies as a guest, and bowed my head politely when prayers were said.

I do make an exception and use "Merry Christmas" on Christmas cards. I've always loved everything about the Christmas season, and so far have managed to dance through it every year without feeling a bit bad about the fact that it is, in fact, a religious holiday. So, I guess I am a hypocrite when it comes to Christmas.

Oh, and I guess you can include "Happy Halloween", too. It started out as All Hallows Eve, but I don't think of it in my mind as a religious holiday.
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(my brother-in-law has a new pizza oven)

From the Book of Neil
In the beginning there was the oven
and there was Neil.
Neil created the dough and He formed the dough
and he flattened the dough.
And the oven did burn hot.
Neil spread the sauce and added the seasonings
and put the pizza into the oven.
And the pizza did cook.
A sprinkling of rosemary
and the pizza was ready to feed the multitudes.
And He saw that it was good.
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I do send non-religious Christmas cards, when I'm not too lazy to get them in the mail. Many years, that means that I stamp "Happy new year" inside all of them and send them out late. I have three Happy New Year stamps:

Stampin' Up - one of the All Year Cheer sets (can't remember which one because I treat all three as one set)

Stampin' Up - Holidays & Wishes

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Some newer favorites:

What do you mean you don't believe in evolution? Look at the trees and birds around you!

Let us pause before we eat and praise Pythagoras for his almighty Theorem. And now, please pass the Pi.

The data made me do it.
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I don't ever use religious verses or actual scripture on my cards, no matter what the occasion, or who I'm sending the card to. I would feel pretty much like a hypocrite if I did that.

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I guess I never looked at it as hypocritical, I mean, I send one of my friends a Hannukah card every year and I don't celebrate Hannukah...I suppose I thought of other cards in the same way. I would not send an "I'm praying for you" card for obvious reasons, but something along the lines of "May the Lord bless and keep you" was more what I was thinking about. I always wonder when I see sets and just can never decide if I want to stamp something like that or not.

The more I think about it, I think I am going to NOT think about it so much If I see something that sounds nice and might be comforting to the person I am sending the card to, I am just going to put it on there. Thanks for the input though, it has been nice hearing what everyone thinks.
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I guess I never looked at it as hypocritical, I mean, I send one of my friends a Hannukah card every year and I don't celebrate Hannukah...I suppose I thought of other cards in the same way. I would not send an "I'm praying for you" card for obvious reasons, but something along the lines of "May the Lord bless and keep you" was more what I was thinking about. I always wonder when I see sets and just can never decide if I want to stamp something like that or not.

The more I think about it, I think I am going to NOT think about it so much If I see something that sounds nice and might be comforting to the person I am sending the card to, I am just going to put it on there. Thanks for the input though, it has been nice hearing what everyone thinks.
Mel, you are exactly right! You should absolutely do whatever feels right to you. We are not talking about brain surgery here - just making a card and having good wishes for the person who will receive it.

And I do know what you mean about "overthinking". I do it all the time, and it can get in the way of accomplishing anything.
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I send "Thinking of You" for commiseration cards. If I send winter cards (which I haven't done in quite a few years...), I usually send them in January or February with some kind of winter-themed saying.
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Perhaps some of you already know about this site but I thought I'd post it here. Talkorigins.org is a one stop shop for reality-based answers to creationist, ID, biblical inerrancy arguments etc. The whole website has lots of interesting stuff but I linked to the page that gives answers to specific questions. I'm waiting for the day the next Christian starts trying to "witness" to me. Last time I could not remember what the answer was so I said nothing. Enjoy...
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Thanks for the link Martha! I know almost nothing about the sciences (went in one ear and out the other in school). I can read up on this during my free time.
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Same here with the sciences, but I have learned so much from reading about evolution.
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Thanks for sharing that site I especially enjoyed reading "The Bible says it; I believe it; that settles it" part. I have mentioned that explanation several times and I swear people just don't see it that way. Especially when you come across people who have led extremely sheltered lives--they truly don't know that there is anything else out there. My husband was having a discussion with a buddy of his and was comparing an organization I used to be a part of with an organization his buddy is currently a part of and this guy had never even heard of that group of people. Had no clue in the world who they were. I guess I thought that anyone who was around my age had at least HEARD of them. That just goes to show that there is so much more out there...and they all believe that they have the answer. I remember something back from my Scientology days and there was something...if anyone is familiar with this, please remind me...something like 5 tests of truth (?) If you come across something and want to know if it is true, it has to stand up to these 5 tests. I can't for the life of me remember what they were. Maybe it was 4 tests...I can't remember. It's tough getting old! haha!
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I remember something back from my Scientology days and there was something...if anyone is familiar with this, please remind me...something like 5 tests of truth (?) If you come across something and want to know if it is true, it has to stand up to these 5 tests. I can't for the life of me remember what they were. Maybe it was 4 tests...I can't remember. It's tough getting old! haha!
I Googled the five tests of truth and found the following which may be what you were talking about:
1. Historical Truth
2. Archaeological Truth
3. Congruency
4. Textual Criticism
5. Prophecy as applied to religion

These tests were specifically devised to compare the Book of Mormon to the Bible in order to prove that the Book of Mormon is not 'true' and that the Bible is. Since the tests were designed to compare one religious book with another then they can't be used to compare religion teachings in general to science teachings.
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Not to be annoying but I found another interesting site. Stephen Law is a British philosopher. He just put up on his blog a complete paper on the existence of god that he had published a year ago. If you enjoy chewing on all the ramifications and suppositions of god you might enjoy this.

Evidence, Miracles and the Existence of Jesus


Here's the abstract.

The vast majority of Biblical historians believe there is evidence sufficient to place Jesus’ existence beyond reasonable doubt. Many believe the New Testament documents alone suffice firmly to establish Jesus as an actual, historical figure. I question these views. In particular, I argue (i) that the three most popular criteria by which various non-miraculous New Testament claims made about Jesus are supposedly corroborated are not sufficient, either singly or jointly, to place his existence beyond reasonable doubt, and (ii) that a prima facie plausible principle concerning how evidence should be assessed – a principle I call the contamination principle – entails that, given the large proportion of uncorroborated miracle claims made about Jesus in the New Testament documents, we should, in the absence of independent evidence for an historical Jesus, remain sceptical about his existence.

If this isn't your cup of tea, we now return you to your regularly scheduled evening...
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Hmm, I am looking as well...I have found 16 tests (Wikipedia) and one website that listed the Scientific Method: Observation, theory, experiment and conclusion which is closer to where I was going the long and short of it was that something must meet these criteria in order to be true. I can't be 100% positive that I learned this from Scientology but it seems it was around that age that I was learning it so...

Footnote: I was just talking with my daughter who's math teacher is a Buddist and he told her that Buddhism has something like that as well so who the heck knows!
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Yes, the Scientific Method sounds more what you were thinking of. It is what I look for with any claim.
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Well...not the Buddhists either. Oh well...one day it will come to me and I will bolt out of a dead sleep and know once again
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Thanks for sharing that site I especially enjoyed reading "The Bible says it; I believe it; that settles it" part. I have mentioned that explanation several times and I swear people just don't see it that way. Especially when you come across people who have led extremely sheltered lives--they truly don't know that there is anything else out there. My husband was having a discussion with a buddy of his and was comparing an organization I used to be a part of with an organization his buddy is currently a part of and this guy had never even heard of that group of people. Had no clue in the world who they were. I guess I thought that anyone who was around my age had at least HEARD of them. That just goes to show that there is so much more out there...and they all believe that they have the answer. I remember something back from my Scientology days and there was something...if anyone is familiar with this, please remind me...something like 5 tests of truth (?) If you come across something and want to know if it is true, it has to stand up to these 5 tests. I can't for the life of me remember what they were. Maybe it was 4 tests...I can't remember. It's tough getting old! haha!
I didn't know about the 5 Questions but this Balogna Detection Kit by Michael Shermer has 10 questions.
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Old 04-24-2012, 07:47 PM   #1469
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That's the idea of it, tigerlily Thanks for sharing that!!
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For sympathy cards, a traditional Jewish saying is, "May their memory be for a blessing," which I use as is for Jewish friends, but update the phrasing for others, "May your memories be a blessing" or "May your memories bring you comfort". Obviously more for an expected death at a ripe old age, if a death is sudden, traumatic, tragic etc I go with simply "Thinking of you"
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Old 04-26-2012, 02:44 PM   #1471
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I found this article (Losing Your Religion: Analytic Thinking Can Undermine Belief: Scientific American) discussing some research about belief and non-belief very interesting. From the article:
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People who are intuitive thinkers are more likely to be religious, but getting them to think analytically even in subtle ways decreases the strength of their belief, according to a new study in Science.

The research, conducted by University of British Columbia psychologists Will Gervais and Ara Norenzayan, does not take sides in the debate between religion and atheism, but aims instead to illuminate one of the origins of belief and disbelief. "To understand religion in humans," Gervais says, "you need to accommodate for the fact that there are many millions of believers and nonbelievers."
The article goes on to describe the researchers' methodology, which I found fascinating, and at the end quotes another scientist in the field, regarding his interpretation of the implications of the research:
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"Obviously, there are millions of very smart and generally rational people who believe in God," he says. "Obviously, this study doesn't prove the nonexistence of God. But it poses a challenge to believers: If God exists, and if believing in God is perfectly rational, then why does increasing rational thinking tend to decrease belief in God?"
So if you were a believer, and now you are not - do you think you changed because of increased analytical thought?

I think I did. University biology classes opened my eyes to some things that did not mesh with my then-beliefs. I spent a lot of time studying and asking questions.

The nascent internet (remember Compuserve???) opened my eyes to the existence of people who did not believe yet were normal, rational human beings. Lots more time studying and asking questions.

And here I am, an atheist/humanist.
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Alyson, do you have a link to the full article?
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Alyson, do you have a link to the full article?
Duh, guess that would help, LOL:
Losing Your Religion: Analytic Thinking Can Undermine Belief: Scientific American

Oh, and here's another article that gives a few more details of the original journal article:

If You Answer This Math Problem Correctly, You May Be an Atheist
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So if you were a believer, and now you are not - do you think you changed because of increased analytical thought?
For me, I think that had quite a lot to do with it. Over my lifetime I have belonged to many churches and groups. I have changed my views with each turn. As I have gotten older and experienced more I have also gone from being an emotional thinker to a more logical thinker. I tend to pull things apart to see if they can stand alone and if they cannot stand alone then I have a hard time believing they can fit together. Does that make sense the way I worded it?

I also think that in the present time there is just more known than there was before. Every year science and technology goes a step further and religion just does not hold up like it used to.
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I tend to pull things apart to see if they can stand alone and if they cannot stand alone then I have a hard time believing they can fit together. Does that make sense the way I worded it?
This makes perfect sense - I really like your wording!
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Am I the only one here that was never remotely a believer?

<----always the outcast lol
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No, you aren't the only one, I was never a believer either. My parents weren't religious at all although my father's parents were Methodist I think. But we had no religious influence from them.
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yeah but you're a foreigner lol

My parent's aren't religious and none of my siblings are. But my grandmother is very catholic and my in laws are pretty fundamental in their luthran church. I used to go on special occasions to the church they attend but after a very disgusting Mother's Day sermon I told my husband it wouldn't be happening ever again.

But I very distinctly remember being in second grade and not even saying "under god" when we said the pledge.

Wanna hear something really evil tho? One year my boyfriends church was doing a live nativity and they were having trouble getting people. So ultimately the nativity was more a manger scene and he and I were Mary and Joseph! That there is proof god doesn't exist for I would have been struck down by lightening for all that was wrong with that situation LOL
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I don't think I've ever really believed, though I went to church for a lot of years at my parents' insistence. My mom was raised a non-church-going Methodist, and my dad grew up in a very religious Mennonite household. They're Methodist now and quite active in their church. One of my sisters is an ordained Methodist pastor.

I went through confirmation as a kid, attended Bible study with various friends, was even a Job's Daughter (Masonic organization for girls) for awhile because a friend was in it and I was jealous because it was such a secret group. But I was always just going through the motions, inwardly rolling my eyes at all of it. Once I was in high school, I resisted going to church enough that my parents finally stopped forcing me to go. That was the end of it.

I know that my parents really want me to be a believer, especially my dad. But they don't push me at all. I've never come right out and said that I don't believe around them, but they know. And it's not a big deal. My parents are pretty great like that.
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I found this article (Losing Your Religion: Analytic Thinking Can Undermine Belief: Scientific American) discussing some research about belief and non-belief very interesting. From the article:


The article goes on to describe the researchers' methodology, which I found fascinating, and at the end quotes another scientist in the field, regarding his interpretation of the implications of the research:


So if you were a believer, and now you are not - do you think you changed because of increased analytical thought?

I think I did. University biology classes opened my eyes to some things that did not mesh with my then-beliefs. I spent a lot of time studying and asking questions.

The nascent internet (remember Compuserve???) opened my eyes to the existence of people who did not believe yet were normal, rational human beings. Lots more time studying and asking questions.

And here I am, an atheist/humanist.
Yes. Most definitely.
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