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Yes it does. You can type "Double U Tee Eff" though.

How about UUTF?
How about 'double V'? VVTF?
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I thought this was an interesting article:

Illini Secular Student Alliance: Top Four Presidents That Probably Shouldn't Have Sworn in on the Bible

I think it will be another generation before we see an openly atheist/humanist (even non-Christian!) President, and then I saw this:

Memo to FFRF: I Found a New Batch of Lawyers for You | Friendly Atheist

Given the number of lawyers who end up running for office, these statistics show some potential for an upcoming generation of secular politicians.
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Yes it does. You can type "Double U Tee Eff" though.

How about UUTF?
WHAAAATTTT???? When did that happen? I know I haven't been around much, but sheesh. I had an interaction with another member of this site a year or so ago b/c I did not recognize "WT_". She kindly PMed me and explained what was up (apparently even the acronym offends some ) and then said I must not curse much since I didn't recognize it. I was laughing, heartily, to myself b/c I have a major potty mouth, and am VERY familiar with the actual acronym. And the word.

And where is the "twisted" smilie??

And I am giggling right now at the "Religious Studies" ad at the bottom of the page right now.
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See I'm a horrible horrible HORRIBLE person and while I'd say nothing and sort of cringe in my head I'd be thinking really loudly "Well there was a lot of 'Oh god oh god oh god' in the bedroom but I don't think he was there"
Brilliant!
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I'm so happy to have found this thread! Thanks Wrose! I think living in the Midwest makes it even stickier for us. I avoid the topic of religion whenever possible so I don't offend anyone (and to avoid having someone try to "save" me!) Only three people know how I feel about religion, and I even watered it down for two of them, so it's nice to find a place to connect with like-minded people. I know there are millions of sites out there, but I like that we have other common interests, too.

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I found that amusing even before I came over to "the dark side" lol
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Welcome!!! I wanted to say Michele but I'm not sure that's your name! LOL
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WHAAAATTTT???? When did that happen? I know I haven't been around much, but sheesh. I had an interaction with another member of this site a year or so ago b/c I did not recognize "WT_". She kindly PMed me and explained what was up (apparently even the acronym offends some ) and then said I must not curse much since I didn't recognize it. I was laughing, heartily, to myself b/c I have a major potty mouth, and am VERY familiar with the actual acronym. And the word.

And where is the "twisted" smilie??

And I am giggling right now at the "Religious Studies" ad at the bottom of the page right now.
Can we say STFU?

Why yes, yes we can.
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Why yes, yes we can.
How do you type that laugh that mostly comes out of your nose? Or is there an emoticon for it? It definitely was an Out Loud. Snort Out Loud (SOL) perhaps?
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I'm so happy to have found this thread! Thanks Wrose! I think living in the Midwest makes it even stickier for us. I avoid the topic of religion whenever possible so I don't offend anyone (and to avoid having someone try to "save" me!) Only three people know how I feel about religion, and I even watered it down for two of them, so it's nice to find a place to connect with like-minded people. I know there are millions of sites out there, but I like that we have other common interests, too. l
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Thanks, Alyson & Kathy. And yes, it is Michele. I can already tell I'll be spending a good deal of time here!
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Except for me, SOL means something else, specifically, "Sh__ Out (of) Luck."

I can hear my brother saying it, "You're S-O-L!"


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*snort*

Although that seems somewhat inadequate.
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I'm so happy to have found this thread! Thanks Wrose! I think living in the Midwest makes it even stickier for us. I avoid the topic of religion whenever possible so I don't offend anyone (and to avoid having someone try to "save" me!) Only three people know how I feel about religion, and I even watered it down for two of them, so it's nice to find a place to connect with like-minded people. I know there are millions of sites out there, but I like that we have other common interests, too.

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I found that amusing even before I came over to "the dark side" lol
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So how is everyone doing in the midst of the religious holidays?

Our Christmas is pretty secular. DH believes in God (so he says), but is not and never has been active in any religion. He never talks about God or anything. So really you can't tell whether he believes or not, just from knowing him.

I think I'll put some lights around the fireplace this year and that's it. Wow, that will be easy. No furniture moving or anything.
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So how is everyone doing in the midst of the religious holidays?

Our Christmas is pretty secular. DH believes in God (so he says), but is not and never has been active in any religion. He never talks about God or anything. So really you can't tell whether he believes or not, just from knowing him.

I think I'll put some lights around the fireplace this year and that's it. Wow, that will be easy. No furniture moving or anything.
We have a Christmas tree because we think it's pretty. Not too many religious things on it - heavy on the stars, birds, and hearts. A few angels and nativity type ornaments that were gifts from family members. That's about all the decorating we do. I play lots of Christmas music this time of year.

Our Christmas is also secular. Hubby, one daughter and I are all atheist. The other daughter is undecided, but doesn't seem bothered that the rest of us know what we don't believe. Actually, all she really is is scared not to believe because some of her friends have terrified her with tales of what will happen to her if she doesn't. Grrr.
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I think it could also be a form of evanglizing or witnessing. Isn't goat wonderful for creating this beautiful child?

I'm sure your child is very beautiful in the way we conventionally attribute beauty. I wonder what this woman says if a child has Downes Syndrome or CP. Does she share the wonder of goat then?

What do you say? Thanks but I thank my husbands and my genes for giving us a beautiful child? Or We were just lucky, god really didn't have anything to do with it? I can think of a few more confrontational responses but I decided not to go there

Come on people! Let's give her some viable alternatives!
The proper response is, "And what would you say to me if my child were ugly?"

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We have a Christmas tree because we think it's pretty. Not too many religious things on it - heavy on the stars, birds, and hearts. A few angels and nativity type ornaments that were gifts from family members. That's about all the decorating we do. I play lots of Christmas music this time of year.

Our Christmas is also secular. Hubby, one daughter and I are all atheist. The other daughter is undecided, but doesn't seem bothered that the rest of us know what we don't believe. Actually, all she really is is scared not to believe because some of her friends have terrified her with tales of what will happen to her if she doesn't. Grrr.
When we have done a tree, it's like yours!!! There's a Star Wars section and Star Trek, and Disney and birds and ... well you get the idea. I love having Darth Vader on the tree, and you push the button and he talks. HAHAHA And tie fighters and Spock's voice in the shuttle, and Seven of Nine, and the Doctor from Voyager..... what a mix!!!!

And an angel on top - my sister gave me that.

I have set up the manger too, I don't have a problem with it, got it when I still believed, but I figure, the holiday is supposedly to celebrate that particular birthday, whether or not the person was supernatural.... it's still a pretty scene.

I guess it can be interesting how we deal with the juxtapositions.
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Our Christmas is also secular. Hubby, one daughter and I are all atheist. The other daughter is undecided, but doesn't seem bothered that the rest of us know what we don't believe. Actually, all she really is is scared not to believe because some of her friends have terrified her with tales of what will happen to her if she doesn't. Grrr.
Oh and I'm sorry our daughter has been scared. Hopefully she will grow out of that. I would hate to be someone who believed only out of fear!!!
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We have a Christmas tree because we think it's pretty. Not too many religious things on it - heavy on the stars, birds, and hearts. A few angels and nativity type ornaments that were gifts from family members. That's about all the decorating we do. I play lots of Christmas music this time of year.

Our Christmas is also secular. Hubby, one daughter and I are all atheist. The other daughter is undecided, but doesn't seem bothered that the rest of us know what we don't believe. Actually, all she really is is scared not to believe because some of her friends have terrified her with tales of what will happen to her if she doesn't. Grrr.
Yeah, that's why _I_ tried to believe and be a Christian. It didn't last. As Yoda says, "Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate". I know he is just a cute fictional muppet, but it rang true for me! Fear of hell did NOT lead me to love of God. I think only those who love God (as opposed to being scared of Hell) can stick with their religion.

As for my own Christmas, I am having a good time making Christmas cards! My energy level is waaaay too low to do any decorating.
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As Yoda says, "Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate". I know he is just a cute fictional muppet, but it rang true for me! Fear of hell did NOT lead me to love of God. I think only those who love God (as opposed to being scared of Hell) can stick with their religion.
I had to read this twice to make sure Yoda was the fictional muppet to whom you referred...

We have a secular Christmas/Solstice/xmas (depending on who I'm talking to). Tree, lights, ornaments from my childhood and one every year for each person so the kids will have some to take with them when they setup their own home.

We have xmas eve at Grandma's (though she never makes the glogg great-grandma did - whew, baby, that was strong!) then the 25th (presents, brunch, dinner) at our house. DH's family has an entirely different (NOT leftovers) huge meal for boxing day, but I usually talk him into leftovers.

The kids usually make gingerbread houses, but the mold is my ex-SILs so I need to look for one of my own now.

Thankfully, no family drama re: religion in our family. My dad's never gone, and my mom worked her way to atheism/humanism around the same time I did. DH's family are also not particularly religious.

Hope everyone has a nice holiday season without any grumpy people getting offended if you say "Happy Holidays!", LOL. I shopped mostly online this year so I haven't had any of those issues this year - last year there were a couple, though. Maybe the War on Christmas is over?
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Oh sorry Alyson! I guess he is really NOT a muppet!! Only, I have ever thought of him as a muppet ever since Weird Al wrote the song "Yoda" (after the original "Lola"?), which became my favourite song for years afterwards. One of the lyrics in that song was "A guy who looks like a muppet, but he's wrinkled and green".
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We have a Yoda ornament too. And Ewoks.
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My DH is kind of like Kathy's-pretty much the way I used to be too. Except I did actually go to Mass from time to time. I haven't been in years now, except for Midnight Mass on Christmas, and I haven't even done that for the past two years. And that was just for the tradition. The music and lighting and everything is so beautiful. But the incense will kill ya! Or at least make you sick--it really gets my asthma going and my 22 year old passed out the last time we went! Too little oxygen & too much kneeling. He slumped over onto MIL so my brother & I rushed over. We're trying to get him seated & straighten his legs a little and she's trying to stand him up! This is the same woman who grabbed his arms, held them over his head, and started shaking him to dislodge the lifesaver her daughter gave him when he was about 15 months old. I don't know where she thought it was going to go! Every time I took him from her she'd snatch him back and do it again. I finally got him away & laid him across my lap. One little slap on his back and it popped right out!

But I digress....hahaha! Anyway.... We don't even do Midnight Mass anymore. Still do the tree (with lots of stars and snowflakes and sparkly baubles) and cards. DH made some remark about buying into the pc "season's greetings" on this year's card, but when I challenged him to find one that I had sent that said "Merry Christmas," he dropped it. He doesn't want to talk about my beliefs any more than he wants to talk about his own. I have a friend who is very committed to a pretty radical (IMO) fundamentalist Christian church--the kind that teaches that anyone who does not believe and practice their way will go to hell. Since the bible doesn't say "celebrate Christ's birth on Dec 25," they don't celebrate it religiously. It's all about gifts and Santa. Never thought I'd have anything in common with that church! Lol
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This is a religious holiday? I thought it was a sponsored holiday by all of retail land LOL

We have a tree, and snowmen and a bazillion lights and family and Santa comes, fills the kids stockings and leaves an ornament in Natalie's stocking. We exchange gifts and eat and laugh and list4en to music and enjoy days off and being together.

I say Happy Holidays because I can't assume to even come close to knowing who celebrates what and to me Christmas is Dec 25 not Dec 8 when I'm at the grocery getting milk but I want to give someone a smile. Happy Holidays to you! Especially since there are many holidays from late November to Early January. Not my problem if you get bent over my well wishes.
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Happy Holidays, everyone!

I love this time of year and we definitely celebrate Christmas. My youngest is turning 3 this month, so this year, we didn't have to surround the tree with a giant, gray child gate! Lol, It's much more festive without it!

We do presents, Elf on the Shelf, and Santa brings the big gift and fills stockings on Christmas morning. We do a little travel and spend time with my family and DH's family. We've trimmed down our present-buying list to our immediate family and a few nieces and nephews. It's so nice to not be so busy shopping and really get to enjoy spending time with family and friends, which is what this holiday is all about for us.

I hope that if, or however you celebrate, it's a happy time for you and your family!
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Well, I like the idea of not having a tree, Wrose. In fact that's what I planned for this year unless my grown up daughter insists on it. It's just that no one is around to help take it down! What's up with that?!

I think I had a period of mourning when I definitely decided I didn't believe any more. It is a loss - of community, of comfort, of ritual. But now I'm totally ok with being the only one not praying at the holiday table.

So I guess I'll put up a few little treasures here and there and call it good.
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Oh sorry Alyson! I guess he is really NOT a muppet!! Only, I have ever thought of him as a muppet ever since Weird Al wrote the song "Yoda" (after the original "Lola"?), which became my favourite song for years afterwards. One of the lyrics in that song was "A guy who looks like a muppet, but he's wrinkled and green".
LOL, that wasn't what I meant - I saw fictional muppet and god in my first skimming, and thought, hmmm.
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Old 12-07-2011, 03:50 PM   #1270
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LOL, that wasn't what I meant - I saw fictional muppet and god in my first skimming, and thought, hmmm.
Ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!
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Old 12-07-2011, 03:52 PM   #1271
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I love reading how you all celebrate the holidays.

V, I have to agree with you about Happy Holidays. Maybe in the south, you can assume that 90% are Christians, but certainly not out here! And the last place I lived, southeast Florida, the Jewish population was very large.

I would love to assume that people who get their panties in a knot about it, maybe live in a small town and don't have the diversity some of us enjoy.
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Old 12-07-2011, 04:31 PM   #1272
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I had a very lazy sort of depressing day (just too tired really) and read this thread thru. What a wonderful funny group of ladies. Thanks for the support, the information, the views and the fun.
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Oh sorry Alyson! I guess he is really NOT a muppet!! Only, I have ever thought of him as a muppet ever since Weird Al wrote the song "Yoda" (after the original "Lola"?), which became my favourite song for years afterwards. One of the lyrics in that song was "A guy who looks like a muppet, but he's wrinkled and green".
Not too far off, though. Yoda was the creation of Wendy Froud, who worked for Jim Henson and who is also the creator of the characters in Labyrinth. Oh, and she's also the mother of Toby, the little boy in the same movie.

Her husband is also an artist who does the most wondrous Faeries ever.

Rainsong--I'm sorry! I have all these useless tidbits rattling around in my head and they simply must come out!
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Old 12-09-2011, 10:13 AM   #1274
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I love reading how you all celebrate the holidays.

V, I have to agree with you about Happy Holidays. Maybe in the south, you can assume that 90% are Christians, but certainly not out here! And the last place I lived, southeast Florida, the Jewish population was very large.

I would love to assume that people who get their panties in a knot about it, maybe live in a small town and don't have the diversity some of us enjoy.
Based on my Facebook feed, there are plenty of non-small town people who believe there is a war on Christmas. It is my opinion that a certain number of them like the idea of it. It gives them something to fight.

Tis the season to be snarky over "Happy Holidays" vs "Merry Christmas". The fight brings everyone so much joy.
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Old 12-09-2011, 02:12 PM   #1275
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Here is it is summer (New Zealand) so for me the summer holidays, sunny days, picnics, and the general holdiay feeling is much stronger than Christmas which I have not celebrated since leaving home 30+ years ago. Christmas day is just another day for me.
New Year's day is much more special to me. I write New Years cards on that day and enjoy putting the date with the new year on each one. During each year my partner and I put things that are special to us like cards, concert tickets, letters and postcards etc in a large envelope and on New Years day we tip them out and I stick them into a scrap book. Then we go over the scrapbook together and are reminded of the things that happened to us over the year. So that is our ritual.
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Old 12-09-2011, 09:32 PM   #1276
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Based on my Facebook feed, there are plenty of non-small town people who believe there is a war on Christmas. It is my opinion that a certain number of them like the idea of it. It gives them something to fight.

Tis the season to be snarky over "Happy Holidays" vs "Merry Christmas". The fight brings everyone so much joy.
Even Rick Perry - well not specifically Christmas - but attacked Obama's non-existent war on religion.

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Anyone who has paid attention to Obama’s speeches and language would have to concede that the charge is false. Obama’s remarks at the White House Easter prayer breakfast this year–in which he spoke of Jesus’ “unfathomable gift of grace and salvation through his death and resurrection”–are arguably the most explicitly Christian that any President has uttered at an official White House event. Similarly, before the lighting of the National Christmas Tree last week, Obama spoke about the Christmas story and the teaching “at the heart of my Christian faith.”
Why Rick Perry’s New Ads Are Wrong on Religion–And Obama | Swampland | TIME.com

And then there are the stores.....
Best Buy likes to be inclusive. From 2006:
snopes.com: Best Buy Christmas Ban
And Home Depot was incorrectly attacked in 2008:
snopes.com: Home Depot Christmas
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Old 12-09-2011, 09:32 PM   #1277
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Here is it is summer (New Zealand) so for me the summer holidays, sunny days, picnics, and the general holdiay feeling is much stronger than Christmas which I have not celebrated since leaving home 30+ years ago. Christmas day is just another day for me.
New Year's day is much more special to me. I write New Years cards on that day and enjoy putting the date with the new year on each one. During each year my partner and I put things that are special to us like cards, concert tickets, letters and postcards etc in a large envelope and on New Years day we tip them out and I stick them into a scrap book. Then we go over the scrapbook together and are reminded of the things that happened to us over the year. So that is our ritual.
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I really like that!
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Old 12-14-2011, 12:17 AM   #1278
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Default You *have* to see this - tree decorations for atheists!

The first one is yours, Wrose And there's another one for Sophie!

How to Decorate Your Tree Like a Good Atheist | Friendly Atheist

Oh, and check out the comments - people have added their suggestions

We have a star on top, but since the tree is tall and me and the kids are short, we're waiting for DH to come home Friday to do the rest of the decorating (we can't wind the lights...).

That hasn't stopped DD from decorating the open spaces with all her Pokemon, though - a tree full of plush Pokemon - very cute!
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Old 12-14-2011, 01:46 AM   #1279
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Love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 12-16-2011, 01:51 AM   #1280
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Just wanted to mention that Christopher Hitchens died. I read his book, "God is not Great, how religion poisons everything." He'd been battling cancer.
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