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Oh but sometimes they are grown and gone AND THEY COME BACK

forcing you to empty all the scrapbook/stamping stuff you had stashed in their rooms.
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Oh, that's easy.... change the locks!

Both my kids moved out and back a couple of times before it stuck. I finally threatened them with a bed in a closet if they tried to move back again.

Don't worry, they do finally move for good... well, mine finally did. If my DD moved back home, she would probably WANT to sleep in the craft room! She "borrows" it all the time anyway. (She's a scrapbooker, I'm a cardmaker... it works well!)
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I generally have no problem with religious folk but the one thing that drives me nuts is when someone says they are blessed. I think saying you are blessed implies a certain amount of arrogance. If god is blessing you so greatly (usually through monetary means or fame in the case of actors thanking the academy) does that mean you are better than everyone (in the eyes of god) who isn't so blessed? Did you do something so wonderful that you got some extra blessings? And if you haven't been blessed does that mean you did something wrong? I would much prefer the term grateful. I am grateful that I have a job, have a somewhat healthy family, and am a generally decent person.
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No, I haven't, but someone recently commented that I was "blessed" (over something clearly genetic, to me). I wanted to say, then my poor believing brother is not blessed, but his heathen sister is?
I am also confused about this issue of being blessed. I have a friend who has cancer and I have been emailing her and sending her cards. Recently she emailed me back thanking me for being such a supportive friend and that she hoped I will be blessed for this.
I wanted to say that I didn't want to be blessed, I wanted her to get well. Of course I didn't say this, but it makes me wonder what sort of a sick and twisted religion it is, that inflicts people with cancer then blesses those who do what comes naturally - offering some sort of comfort.
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Both my kids moved out and back a couple of times before it stuck. I finally threatened them with a bed in a closet if they tried to move back again.

Don't worry, they do finally move for good... well, mine finally did. If my DD moved back home, she would probably WANT to sleep in the craft room! She "borrows" it all the time anyway. (She's a scrapbooker, I'm a cardmaker... it works well!)
Hmmm, we do have a closet under the stairs in this house.
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Kathy - I just noticed the WW part of your signature. If that means what I think it does CONGRATULATIONS!!!!
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I am also confused about this issue of being blessed. I have a friend who has cancer and I have been emailing her and sending her cards. Recently she emailed me back thanking me for being such a supportive friend and that she hoped I will be blessed for this.
I wanted to say that I didn't want to be blessed, I wanted her to get well. Of course I didn't say this, but it makes me wonder what sort of a sick and twisted religion it is, that inflicts people with cancer then blesses those who do what comes naturally - offering some sort of comfort.
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I had the "A" talk with a co-worker yesterday - he "came out" as an atheist to our boss a few months ago, who was pretty floored by that - but accepting, even though boss is a pretty strict Catholic.

I suspect there are more non-believers out there that statistics report - I think people are just afraid to tell others their true beliefs.

And since I've been feeling mean and bee-otchy this week, we need to post more on this thread to keep it on the front page of ECC . .
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Hi Joan and welcome to this thread. I read your blog and had to smile at your sewing experiences!
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My office mate talks about being blessed (i.e., someone "blessed" her and her husband with a free flat screen TV, etc.). She also talks about having "grace" towards other people. I roll my eyes (inside my head) but don't provide any further comment. She's a nice girl and we actually get along very well despite our opposite views on just about everything.

I had the "A" talk with a co-worker yesterday - he "came out" as an atheist to our boss a few months ago, who was pretty floored by that - but accepting, even though boss is a pretty strict Catholic.

I suspect there are more non-believers out there that statistics report - I think people are just afraid to tell others their true beliefs.

And since I've been feeling mean and bee-otchy this week, we need to post more on this thread to keep it on the front page of ECC . .
I will admit that when things get too quiet, I like to bump the thread. As you have said, I think there are a lot more people who are not believers, and just not ready to say anything. So it's good to let them know we're here.

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just this week?

Kidding! LOL
Tee hee - no, not just this week; it's pretty much all the time, just moreso over the past few days after a particulary stressful week (OK . . . couple of weeks . . . months . . . years!) at work.
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I do not think.. I am an Atheist as I do believe there is something..What?! I have no clue?? I was raised to be a Catholic...and am non practicing and question the teachings of...I believe I am spiritual...and think there is more than just this...I am a big believer in Karma and try to treat others as I expect to be treated...I also believe an eye for an eye...I know this thread is a interesting read and love that I am privy to read other perspectives!
I have learned from a friend that "Bless her heart" is not always a good thing...and love that!

I promise to bless only if you sneeze....

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A website I should have anticipated: God Hates Japan
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Love it! I want to know why the people who say natural disasters are gods punishment didn't blame Bush for the horrible hurricane that devastated Texas while he was in office. I think that was a clear sign from above that he was royally messing this country up.
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But did you read it? It's actually an atheist requesting donations for Japan, not a Xtian. Very clever.
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But did you read it? It's actually an atheist requesting donations for Japan, not a Xtian. Very clever.
Yup. That's why I posted it here.

I groaned when I saw the website posted in thread comments - I'm so sick of the "God did this to make the Japanese repent" or "God did this because most of the Japanese are atheists" cr*p I've been reading. So it was refreshing to have a more appropriate response
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I was listening to sappy Delilah on the radio tonight, and someone had emailed in asking everyone to "pray for those in Japan, especially those innocent little children."

The prayer thing doesn't bother me, but calling out innocent kids did. Maybe it was me being petty, but when you have a natural disaster like an earthquake, everyone is "innocent" - kids, adults, or prisons full of hardened criminals - as far as deserving to suffer or having done something that gave them bad karma. It just struck me as a silly idea that kids are more innocent than adults in an earthquake.
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Do insurance companies still use the phrase, "act of God"?

*I* accept natural disasters, but some people see everything in terms of "acts of God." The desire to explain acts of god.... well, it reminds me of a Star Trek episode.
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I just found this thread, its nice to see the other side of things being talked about for a change. I am not religous in any shape or form,

I believe that people believe in what they want to believe in and thats totally up to them, just because I do not believe in what you do it does not make me a bad person, nor does it make you a bad person if you believe in something different to me.

I have religous friends, who know I am not religous, what really gets me is when they have a christening/baptism or some sort of ceremony and I am not invited, do they not want to share a special time in their life with me, just because I do not believe it doesn't mean I do not want to share in their happiness, does that make sense?
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I just found this thread, its nice to see the other side of things being talked about for a change. I am not religous in any shape or form,

I believe that people believe in what they want to believe in and thats totally up to them, just because I do not believe in what you do it does not make me a bad person, nor does it make you a bad person if you believe in something different to me.

I have religous friends, who know I am not religous, what really gets me is when they have a christening/baptism or some sort of ceremony and I am not invited, do they not want to share a special time in their life with me, just because I do not believe it doesn't mean I do not want to share in their happiness, does that make sense?
It's possible they mistakenly think you'd be uncomfortable. It's also possible they are afraid you wouldn't show proper "respect." You know, because all those atheists out there are so vocal every time we hear "God Bless You" when someone sneezes, and stuff like that. **rolls eyes**

(Heck, I still say "bless you" - old habit!)

If they are really religious, they might want to keep the group limited to people who share that, but most family events like this have a range of believers in attendance.

*shrugs*

Try not to let it bother you, but isn't it nice you can come here to talk about it?
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My husband is Catholic and raising the kids that way. Whenever we have a baptism or First Communion (our oldest will have his in May) we just invite family. Mostly because I can't imagine anybody else would be interested, but also because I don't want to seem like we are trolling for gifts.

If we were invited to a baptism for the child of friends I would gladly go despite the religious aspect, just because I like to hang out and eat in a social setting.
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LOL! I agree, Baptist or Buddist - I'm happy to share your joy and eat your food - I don't have to believe the same things. I can be respectful and celebrate your different "customs" (especially if I'm not hungry)

I try to think of the different religious oriented events I attend as "sharing customs of another culture" just as I can attend a luau although I'm not Hawaiian and I can kiss the Blarney Stone even though I'm not Irish. (I just need a plane ticket to Ireland)
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I just found this thread, its nice to see the other side of things being talked about for a change. I am not religous in any shape or form,

I believe that people believe in what they want to believe in and thats totally up to them, just because I do not believe in what you do it does not make me a bad person, nor does it make you a bad person if you believe in something different to me.

I have religous friends, who know I am not religous, what really gets me is when they have a christening/baptism or some sort of ceremony and I am not invited, do they not want to share a special time in their life with me, just because I do not believe it doesn't mean I do not want to share in their happiness, does that make sense?
I think it may be their way of respecting YOU (or not offending you). I know this is why my sister doesn't invite me to the baptisms or christenings of her kids (whom I adore). She knows I am not religious and respects that, so much so that she teaches her kids NOT to harass me about God, church, etc.

If I were you, I'd let your friends know that you would be happy to share in their happy events even if it took place in a religious setting.
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While we are talking about kids, I will ask for opinions on something that I have been pondering. I am an agnostic, my husband was brought up catholic but is probably agnostic as well though he won't really commit to that description. We, as a family, don't go to church except on Christmas eve. It is a tradition my husband insists on. My two kids know I don't believe and my daughter doesn't really say much but my son who is 10 believes in god. Probably due to my in-laws influence and my mom's as well (other kids in his class too). I don't want to tell him what to believe because I don't want to be a hypocrite and act like a religious person. I want my kids to choose but I really don't think it is a benefit to have the religious views that he seems to have picked up. What do you all think and have you come up against this in your own families?
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I don't have kids and haven't come up against this, so keep that in mind when reading the following... My instinct on this would be to encourage debate or discussion with your son on his views that you don't think are beneficial. Maybe emphasize that some people can use religion to worsen themselves and justify trampling on the rights or privileges of others, yet others can use religion to improve themselves and bring joy to others.
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While we are talking about kids, I will ask for opinions on something that I have been pondering. I am an agnostic, my husband was brought up catholic but is probably agnostic as well though he won't really commit to that description. We, as a family, don't go to church except on Christmas eve. It is a tradition my husband insists on. My two kids know I don't believe and my daughter doesn't really say much but my son who is 10 believes in god. Probably due to my in-laws influence and my mom's as well (other kids in his class too). I don't want to tell him what to believe because I don't want to be a hypocrite and act like a religious person. I want my kids to choose but I really don't think it is a benefit to have the religious views that he seems to have picked up. What do you all think and have you come up against this in your own families?
I don't have kids either so can't draw on that experience. However, I can say, from my own experience as a child, that children can go though phases of beleiving in god. My parents were both athiest, but we had Christian neighbours and one used to take my sister and I to Sunday School when we were around 7 or 8. I believed in god for about a year then grew out of it. My sister was the same. My parents did not believe in god but treated him like santa and the tooth fairy. As kids we celebrated Christmas and put teeth under our pillow and now I do neither!
One of my nieces, also from an athiest household, also went through a stage of believing in god but we didn't challenge her (although I was tempted at the time!) and she grew out of it too.
I think that at 10 years your son is old enough for you to be able to say that you don't agree with him if he makes statements you don't believe are true. Then you aren't so much telling him what to believe as showing him that people can believe different things. Hopefully common sense, reason, and logic will win out!
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Old 03-20-2011, 06:25 PM   #1035
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While we are talking about kids, I will ask for opinions on something that I have been pondering. I am an agnostic, my husband was brought up catholic but is probably agnostic as well though he won't really commit to that description. We, as a family, don't go to church except on Christmas eve. It is a tradition my husband insists on. My two kids know I don't believe and my daughter doesn't really say much but my son who is 10 believes in god. Probably due to my in-laws influence and my mom's as well (other kids in his class too). I don't want to tell him what to believe because I don't want to be a hypocrite and act like a religious person. I want my kids to choose but I really don't think it is a benefit to have the religious views that he seems to have picked up. What do you all think and have you come up against this in your own families?
Do you ever discuss traditions? If you've been avoiding the subject of religion, then perhaps it's time to talk about it. Nothing wrong with admitting you aren't sure, and that whatever people choose to believe, nobody can prove anything either way.

Encourage thinking and examining beliefs, and accepting differences.

Also the Christmas Eve thing, you can chalk that one up to "a tradition" rather than a religious belief.

If you're concerned about what he's learning from other kids, then I'd definitely bring it up and discuss it. Maybe just needs some direction and reassurance that it's okay to think, examine, question.
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Reminds me of a Slayer song called deciple...the chorus is "god hates us all"
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oh ya the whole reason i came back to this thread...which i should never leave...a lady i work with is a born again christian. I work at McDonalds. Around the holidays its policy to not say "merry christmas" or "happy easter"...so we don't offend anyone. Well this lady and i got in a fight about merrry Christmas. I said to her...what if a jewish person came through, don't you think that would offend them? Or what about an Atheist..she says...everyone believes in god. I laughed...she said what you are a christian aren't you? I laughed again and said i didn't believe in god. I have never seen anyone get so offended in my life!! I said i am not offended that you believe in god, so why are you offeneded that i don't? She really had nothing to say to me. It hasn't been talked about since.

I never talk about religion or politics...gets me in trouble everytime...but sometimes you just have to!!!

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While we are talking about kids, I will ask for opinions on something that I have been pondering. I am an agnostic, my husband was brought up catholic but is probably agnostic as well though he won't really commit to that description. We, as a family, don't go to church except on Christmas eve. It is a tradition my husband insists on. My two kids know I don't believe and my daughter doesn't really say much but my son who is 10 believes in god. Probably due to my in-laws influence and my mom's as well (other kids in his class too). I don't want to tell him what to believe because I don't want to be a hypocrite and act like a religious person. I want my kids to choose but I really don't think it is a benefit to have the religious views that he seems to have picked up. What do you all think and have you come up against this in your own families?
My kids were atheists before I was, so what do I know! Having said that, I think I would want to ask questions about what he believes and why he believes that way. I don't think it's helpful to believe god is Santa in the sky who will bring you what you want/pray for. I don't think it's helpful for a kid to believe that his version of god is the correct one and other people's version is wrong. I think as someone else said it's good to point out that there are many faith traditions which are people's way of trying to understand the mysteries of life but that it's mostly a matter of where you happen to grow up.

I understand you don't want to dictate to your child, but I think it's important to be able to discuss your own views as well as those of grandma and grandpa. Good luck!
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