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Old 10-25-2010, 07:15 PM   #681
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Anyway, a friend forwarded a link with a bunch of "funny posters" that I thought you all might enjoy a bit....

Unapologetics: Countering Apologetics with Sarcasm, Laughter, and Humor - Silly Ideas Should be Laughed At, Not Refuted with More Arguments
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Hi all,
Martha's DS was in a serious motorcycle/car accident and she is now out in the L.A. area to be with him. He's been in intensive care since 10/21 and only recently been out of a coma. His recovery to date is remarkable but I imagine he has a long way to go.

I asked her if it was OK for me to post this here (I thought you all might want to pray for her ... ) I'm not sure how often she may be able to post, if at all, but I think she may try to take a peek in on SCS from time to time and see what y'all are up to.
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That's Tigerlily right?

Oh man how awful. Do you have an address we could send along cards? Or maybe to you? Pm if you do please.

Martha I be holding you and your son close to my heart and in my thoughts.
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I would also like to send Tigerlily a card. Could you also pm me with an appropriate address? Many thanks.
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Me too, Jeanie, if you have an address.... Thanks!
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Add me to those that would like an address to send a card. Ug. One of my biggest fears - one of my sons being in an accident.

Big hugs to Martha and her son.
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I'd like Martha's address, too; holding warm thoughts for her and her family.
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Duh! I could have anticipated that card makers would want to send cards! LOL!

Let me ask Martha about that. At the moment she's staying in a hotel (one very close to the hospital with a shuttle to get there and back) but I'm not sure how long she'll be there. Depending on how long she needs to be in the L.A. area she may be relocating to a place less costly. Her DS was in the midst of a move himself so there's no addy there either (friends stepped up and helped clean out the apt and it's currently in storage).
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I would also love to send a card. Thoughts and hugs!
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I hope his recovery continues to go well. Please keep us updated if you find out anything new.
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See, I'm a little slow, cause I still can't find it!
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top of this screen click on the everyday chit chat
then when you see this thread name click on the number of posts the thread has and it will show a new pop up box with everyone listed and how many posts.
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oh sorry click on "replies" and it shows

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and as usual it shows Wrose and I as big old blabbermouths
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Aha! Is it wrong that I am tickled to be in the top 5? Eh, you gotta be tops at something

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What a bunch of sweeties you are to want to send Martha cards!

I think I've got everyone pm'd now with an addy but if I've left you out, my apologies and please pm me and I'll get it to you.
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I hope Martha's son improves, and that she can find a reasonable place to stay. My DH has a fold-out couch in San Diego he might be willing to offer, except the kids and I will be there over Thanksgiving... Does the hospital have any suggestions? Try the colleges, too - my alma mater selectively rents rooms by the day/week when they have extra.
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Have any of you had a moment like this?

Friendly Atheist » Are You a Christian or Catholic?

I got it once when I was a lecturer in microbiology at MSU. I can't remember what I said, but probably "I was raised Episcopalian". I usually use that when I'm not sure of the motivations of the person who is asking. Sometimes I'll add "but I'm not religious now" or occasionally that I'm an atheist.

Oh, and my contribution when I overhear children in my daughter's 3rd grade public school class insisting to a classmate that "you have to believe in something" or "of course Jesus is real - you don't believe in Jesus???" (two statements I've overheard in the last couple months) is to matter-of-factly inform them that people believe differently and they need to understand that not everyone thinks the same way they do...
One of the commenters noted that if atheists were more open about their philisophical stance we might gain acceptance sooner. It's a thought.
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Alyson, I don't want to speak for Martha, but I'd guess she'd appreciate your offer. San Diego is a bit of a drive, though, lol!

Also want to add: Good for you for speaking up around your DD's classmates. I don't think you can introduce the idea of multiple POVs too early. If it sets you at ease any, kids around that age are just as adamant about their beliefs in Santa Claus and ghosts. LOL! I think there are levels of maturity around understanding POVs. The first is an incredulity that anyone could think differently than you do. Next is a grudging acceptance of someone seeing something differently, although it is seen as obviously flawed thinking/reasoning. Last is that place where multiple POVs are respected as having value, even when not shared. Most third graders are still a bit heady with step one, IMHO.

As far as athiests 'coming out', just a thought ... whoever it is, whether it's a bible banger or an athiest, when they're so full of 'anti' and anger, I think who they are gets lost in what they're against.

And, as to how to handle the 'what do you believe?' questions (in all shapes and sizes) in the classroom, I think the most important thing any teacher can do is to deflect and encourage his/her students to think for themselves.
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When I was teaching, I don't recall a student ever asking about my religion, but many did talk about their own. I would always say that people have many different beliefs and that they are all valid and to be respected. I would not have ever told my students, parents, or even co-workers about by faith, or lack thereof, because I would have been ostracized (sp?). Of course I live in there bible belt where it is assumed that everyone has the same beliefs. I know this was the case at my first school because my principal stated several times that all of our students were christian. This was a naive belief, and inaccurate becaus we had several Hmong families who practiced the Hmong religion.

My closest friends here don't know that I am not Christian (but I'd be surprised if they don't suspect) and I would be completely honest if asked, but I probably won't volunteer that info. It is crystal clear to me why, this weekend. I finally got a Facebook page last week, and my NC friends all (not an exaggeration!) have posting after posting, on their own pages, about God and faith. I have mixed feelings about this because I would hope that they know me and love me enough to accept my difference, but I just don't have complete confidence that that's true.
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Of course I live in there bible belt where it is assumed that everyone has the same beliefs.
I live in what I term the Northern bible belt. Very conservative area; it's pretty common that people you are just meeting ask what church you belong to. It's awkward and was a very weird experience when I first moved to this area.

On another note, my 7 year old niece has started asking questions about god lately. My sis and BIL are not religious, but not necessarily agnostic or atheist. My niece probably has been to a church only a couple of times for weddings, so I think she is picking up the god talk at school or daycare (most likely daycare as she was there a full day on Friday because she didn't have school). I'm not really sure how to answer her questions, so I think if she asks me anything else, I'll direct her to ask sis or BIL.
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I think you could take the 'some people believe in god and some people don't' angle. The problem with being evasive is that it gives the issue a greater weight than it should have. I would think that a 7-year-old is old enough to start to appreciate that people believe different things.
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I would think that a 7-year-old is old enough to start to appreciate that people believe different things.
In theory, and in a perfect world, you are exactly right. However, we all know grown people who can't accept that people believe in different things. That is the whole point of evangelicalism, jihad, and a whole slew of religious intolerances. Their way is the only way, and of you think differently you are wrong, or worse.
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Ug. I dread the day my oldest grandchild (4) starts questioning me. She’s extremely intelligent (yes, I know all grandparents/parents think that but she truly is!) but she’s only had exposure to religious people. No diversity at all. They don’t even watch TV. (oh the horror!) I have no idea what I’ll say to her. Probably should have that discussion w/ my son and DIL.

Sidebar – I had an AWESOME day! I made a card for Martha and then proceeded to make 3 scrapbook pages. That is unheard of for me. I only make cards on an ‘as-needed’ basis and pages for me are like giving birth. I got into this whole paper thing 4 years ago and if I did the math on product stash versus pages made, the few pages I’ve made cost me about $200 each. Gotta love a collector!

Speaking of Martha – isn’t it amazing that us non-believers can have such compassion and empathy for a fellow human being?
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I just saw that from another source. Very cute. I have to admit though that there is a lot of old Christian music (early music, Christmas carols, baroque, classical, Bob Dylan even), that I love. It's my last hold out.
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Yeah I have no problem enjoying whatever music even if it was originally intended for church use.

In fact, in Europe's history, for a bunch of years, didn't the church pretty much sponsor and pay artists and musicians to compose and paint? Without the church, I don't know if we'd have that rich legacy.

But yeah, I love some of the Christmas carols; I love to play them on the piano over the holidays.
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Yeah I have no problem enjoying whatever music even if it was originally intended for church use.

In fact, in Europe's history, for a bunch of years, didn't the church pretty much sponsor and pay artists and musicians to compose and paint? Without the church, I don't know if we'd have that rich legacy.

But yeah, I love some of the Christmas carols; I love to play them on the piano over the holidays.
I'm with you on that. I love a lot of old hymns and other church music. We were out to lunch a few days ago and the restaurant was playing contemporary Christian, way too loudly. I finally figured out what I don't like about it. Too much of it is bad prose, set to bad music.
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Me, too! I find it calming, like classical music is for me also.
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(not sure about inserting myself here, but Wrose's great link made me think of this, so fwiw ...)
I was raised in an athiest/agnostic household (had one apiece for parents). Became born again in HS* where I learned Amazing Grace to the tune of House of the Rising Sun (still my fav melody for that song). I was shocked!! to hear the (imho, wimpy) melody at a church service some years later (and embarrassed, since I was singing with a great deal of Rising Sun feeling).

A long and uninteresting story re my evolution from that point, but the whole 'ain't got no songs' sure brought back a fun memory! LOL!


*ETA: We were sort of an 'underground' group, definitely not church goers. So much for counter-culture, huh? lol!
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(not sure about inserting myself here, but Wrose's great link made me think of this, so fwiw ...)
I was raised in an athiest/agnostic household (had one apiece for parents). Became born again in HS* where I learned Amazing Grace to the tune of House of the Rising Sun (still my fav melody for that song). I was shocked!! to hear the (imho, wimpy) melody at a church service some years later (and embarrassed, since I was singing with a great deal of Rising Sun feeling).

A long and uninteresting story re my evolution from that point, but the whole 'ain't got no songs' sure brought back a fun memory! LOL!


*ETA: We were sort of an 'underground' group, definitely not church goers. So much for counter-culture, huh? lol!
Wow!!! I'm very familiar with House of the Rising Sun (one of my all-time faves), but had to look up the Amazing Grace lyrics. (They don't sing that one - or didn't when I was growing up - in Catholic churches.)


That's hysterical.
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Old 11-09-2010, 06:10 PM   #715
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In the right hands (or voice), Amazing Grace can be gorgeous. And Christmas carols, too. I love Oh Holy Night and for a while felt weird loving. Now I accept that the song is beautiful, even if the story is fiction.
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Atheists have rock and roll.
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Old 11-09-2010, 06:57 PM   #717
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Atheists have rock and roll.
ROFL!

And now that you mentioned fictional music, how many of us love some of the Broadway musicals? You can love music even if it's about fiction.
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Old 11-10-2010, 04:49 AM   #718
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Some time ago I caught one of Bill Moyer's interviews in his Faith & Reason series. It happened to be Anne Provoost who'd just written In the Shadow of the Ark. How she came to write the story (from the POV of those being left behind) I found fascinating (she found a picture book here in the US of the Ark Story. The ark was built, the animals assembled, you see animals outside, then the rain comes and their feet disappear in the water, turn the page and you see only the trunk of the elephant and the nostrils of the giraffe, turn the page, you see only water and the ark ... ).* Toward the end of the interview Bill asks her about the idea of right and wrong from an athiest perspective (she's from Belgium) (How do people know right from wrong without religion?) and she looked for words to explain the concept of 'ethical behavior'. I was impressed enough to go out and read the book. (personally, while I found the interview pretty thought provoking, I was not all that taken with the book. Perhaps it was due to it being a translation, I'm not sure.)

*I found that absolutely chilling, and in picture book form, no less!

Anyway, here's a link to the interview if you didn't see it and want to: Bill Moyers on Faith & Reason . Watch & Listen | PBS
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Old 11-10-2010, 05:36 AM   #719
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For the record, Amazing Grace also goes perfectly to the theme song from Gilligan's Island, and Clementine works perfectly with Beethoven's Ode to Joy.

I love a lot of music with religious themes or lyrics, even though I find the stories on which they're based fairly ludicrous. But seriously, how can you NOT love some of the Christmas carols, or Handel's Messiah, or even Morning Has Broken?
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The story of Noah and the Ark was the one that started me on this path AWAY from Christianity. I was a Sunday School teacher and as I actually read this story in the bible (as opposed to the normal picture book) I was appalled.

Rejecting this story that had been taught to me ALL my life led to relatively quick rejection of the others.

Looking back I am appalled at how long it took me to THINK.

Better late than never.
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