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I love the Very Berry Paisley. That's what I'm carrying right now. Its pretty old, though.
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I wouldn't even buy a coat for five wearings. Seriously. Put on an extra layer under the jacket.
He only has hoodies. I think I might need to introduce him to thermal shirts. He can layer that under his shirt and stick to hoodie and scarf. It would literally be worn for the amount of time we stand at school and wait for the gates to open to get to class
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I live in KY and we rarely wear a heavy coat. It has to be really cold outside and we have to be doing something outdoors for us to wear a coat. They're just too bulky and uncomfortable. And when you get inside of where you are going, you have to hold them or put them somewhere. So obnoxious!
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What about like a zip up lined jacket with a hood or a down vest?
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I am a bad example for my kids because I hate coats.
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I hate coats too. I may keep an eye out for a vest. honestly he doens't seem to care most days. I think he'd be fine with gloves and his regular gear. I don't even think he wore a coat last year but a few times
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Gotta run!

pick up DD
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with no minimum? I never shop LLBean.

But apparently I need to get Zach a warmer coat. I don't really want to. I hate buying something he'll wear five whole times.
Yeah they finally gave in, as DH put it. Everyone else was doing it. I haven't ordered from them in a long time, but I still get catalogs and drool over them.


I hear you on the coat.

You know how much money I saved by having my babies in Florida? NO COATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I live in KY and we rarely wear a heavy coat. It has to be really cold outside and we have to be doing something outdoors for us to wear a coat. They're just too bulky and uncomfortable. And when you get inside of where you are going, you have to hold them or put them somewhere. So obnoxious!
Yeah... when we moved here in 1997 DS wore shorts to school all year long, even in the rain (El Nino winter). I thought he'd be colder having moved from Florida but he was fine.


Now he's moving to Ohio.... he does have one nice winter coat that we got a year or two ago, and I didn't mind spending the money because I figured now he's an adult, even if he only wears it a few times a year, he won't be growing out of it. Of course in Ohio he'll wear it more than a few times a year! So I'm glad we did get it.


But yeah we never got them real winter coats. Not like what I grew up with. My winter coat out here would not cut it in a real winter!


I can remember waiting for the bus in Atlanta in winter, with no space for air to get into me and basically only my eyes showing when it was so cold. lol My kids have never had to worry about that.
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I know you probably don't think of Atlanta as cold, but it would be cold a lot and I didn't have a car. So I needed something to keep me warm while I waited on buses and MARTA.
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He only has hoodies. I think I might need to introduce him to thermal shirts. He can layer that under his shirt and stick to hoodie and scarf. It would literally be worn for the amount of time we stand at school and wait for the gates to open to get to class
That sounds like a great idea. Can he change out of it if he's too warm in class?
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Okay time for me to run too. I need to shower so DD and I can go run a few errands.
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Yeah they finally gave in, as DH put it. Everyone else was doing it. I haven't ordered from them in a long time, but I still get catalogs and drool over them.


I hear you on the coat.

You know how much money I saved by having my babies in Florida? NO COATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I even asked on freecycle because it seemed stupid to spend the money lol
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I even asked on freecycle because it seemed stupid to spend the money lol
DD borrowed a heavy coat from a petite friend of mine about 6 (?) years ago to go up to Tahoe with a friend's family a few winters ago!


I guess nobody on Free Cycle even has one! lol
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Re: Dishwashers

From CR: Frigidaire, Fisher & Paykel, Amana, Maytag, and LG were among the most repair-prone brands; Amana's and Maytag's repair records were affected by a major 2010 recall.

I guess Amana and Maytag aren't usually repair prone! lol

That's purely "reliability" ratings based on their reports of repair from over 82,000 readers.
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I'm gonna look at LLBean's lunchbags and see if I can get him a decent quality one that will last a few years.
Check hanna andersson, too - they usually have good clearance on that kind of thing this time of year. We've been happy with the quality.
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I have a private septic system and can't have a disposal.
We're on a septic tank (maybe you're a community septic system?). Our designer said no problem on disposal as long as we only used it to get rid of food remnants from cleaning dishes, ie., we don't put our vegie or fruit peelings, (or, as disastrously happened at Mom's Maui condo four times in one year!!!: pineapples...) into the disposal.
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He only has hoodies. I think I might need to introduce him to thermal shirts.
Do you mean fleece? I think a lightweight fleece popover or zip-up would do the trick, and they can be stuffed into a bag easily.

DS got a hooded raincoat at REI that he absolutely loves - very lightweight, barely any lining, but apparently just stopping the wind is enough for him. We bought it on the way to a summer camping trip in CA - original price $56. Clearance price $8 (it was the last one). Happy bargain!
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On a much sadder note, my mom's house was burglarized last night. I'm not sure what's gone - the deputy secured the door in a way that I can't enter without unsecuring it (and it would be difficult to put back that way).

My brother's coming up from Oregon - I called him to see if he wanted to pick out the door, b/c he's a contractor and it will be his house someday and Mom told me just to pick something - and he decided to come up and take care of it. I think he doesn't think me capable, but hey, I know people, LOL. My contractor is building a house down the road and he would have boarded the door, ordered a new one, and installed it.


Mom says brother is being the man of the family. I told her if she keeps having crises he'll move up here - she is not at all averse to the idea, LOL!


Mom is certainly having a sad year, though. Dad died, three thefts (a raft/dock, kayaks - which were recovered, and now who knows what...). I told her I think it's time for a security system...
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Do you mean fleece? I think a lightweight fleece popover or zip-up would do the trick, and they can be stuffed into a bag easily.

DS got a hooded raincoat at REI that he absolutely loves - very lightweight, barely any lining, but apparently just stopping the wind is enough for him. We bought it on the way to a summer camping trip in CA - original price $56. Clearance price $8 (it was the last one). Happy bargain!
I mean sweat shirt fleece not polar fleece.
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We're on a septic tank (maybe you're a community septic system?). Our designer said no problem on disposal as long as we only used it to get rid of food remnants from cleaning dishes, ie., we don't put our vegie or fruit peelings, (or, as disastrously happened at Mom's Maui condo four times in one year!!!: pineapples...) into the disposal.
No, its a private septic tank with leech lines in our yard-several hundred feet of them actually. Everyone in my area has their own private septic system, three different varieties depending on the type of land. My dad has the kind with a little pond for water flow. Mine has leech lines into the ground. My gf has her own treatment plant and has to have her water tested each quarter. We were told no garbage disposals because of the tank. We still put small food remnants down the drain, but no actual disposal like we had when we lived in a condo. Actually no one I know has a garbage disposal, so maybe that's a regional restriction?

Brother put rice in his disposal once.
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Alyson, sorry to hear of your mom's theft. My neighbor across the street was also a victim of burglary this week.
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I guess Amana and Maytag aren't usually repair prone! lol

That's purely "reliability" ratings based on their reports of repair from over 82,000 readers.
I have all Maytag appliances in my kitchen and haven't had any repairs at all. My DW runs a minimum of once a day.
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I'm still researching for washers and dryers. Need to replace mine when DH gets his bonus. Hate for his bonus money to go to that, but we have repaired our washer four times. We are just hoping it holds out until Feb.
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Yes I was surprised to see them so far down the list, then I saw the note.


Well today we saw some that I liked, and don't feel I need to spend even $500. Lowe's charges $129 for delivery, set up and haul away the old one. Does that seem high?
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A million sarcastic remarks went through my head though! like....

Why not just do it in the backseat of your car instead?

Really, you want to use those to rekindle old times? I don't remember anything awesome about them.

That's a huge box. How many times are you gonna "rekindle"?

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He only has hoodies. I think I might need to introduce him to thermal shirts. He can layer that under his shirt and stick to hoodie and scarf. It would literally be worn for the amount of time we stand at school and wait for the gates to open to get to class
What about the lightweight thermal stuff, like UnderArmor? That would keep him warm when he's outside, but not feel heavy and bulky and overly warm inside. I bet Target has something similar that's not as pricey as the name brand stuff.
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Did you look at any smaller stores who also provide service? We got a much better price from them than from the big box stores.
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I live in KY and we rarely wear a heavy coat. It has to be really cold outside and we have to be doing something outdoors for us to wear a coat. They're just too bulky and uncomfortable. And when you get inside of where you are going, you have to hold them or put them somewhere. So obnoxious!
Do your elementary schools do outside recess in the winter? The teachers here are encouraged to take the kids outside so long as the temperature is above freezing. (They do take wind chill into consideration, too.)

Then again, our elementary is one of those [insert favorite derogatory adjective] pod-style schools, where each grade is in a separate building, and it's necessary to walk outside to go to the cafeteria, gym, music building, office, library, or from one grade to another. So the kids here are often in and out of their coats. It's a PITA.
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Re: the coats for kids... before my boys were old enough to voice their opinion, I used to order them the Land's End hooded Squall jackets. I watched for the sales, and bought them large for the first year, and there's enough age difference between the boys that ODS would get a jacket, wear it for two winters, then YDS would eventually grow into it and wear it for two winters. I figured it was better to buy a $40 or $50 coat knowing it would last for four years than to buy a $20 coat at Target or Walmart that might last for only two.

And Amber - how many of our former coats have your boys worn?
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Mom says brother is being the man of the family. I told her if she keeps having crises he'll move up here - she is not at all averse to the idea, LOL!


Mom is certainly having a sad year, though. Dad died, three thefts (a raft/dock, kayaks - which were recovered, and now who knows what...). I told her I think it's time for a security system...
Oh no. I'm sorry.
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Yes I was surprised to see them so far down the list, then I saw the note.


Well today we saw some that I liked, and don't feel I need to spend even $500. Lowe's charges $129 for delivery, set up and haul away the old one. Does that seem high?
How much of a plumber is your DH, and how difficult would it be for y'all to get rid of the old dishwasher? And would the new one fit in the bed of his truck?

We picked up our new dishwasher at the store, and DH installed it himself. We've had no problems resulting from his installation. But knowing him, he probably still has the old dishwasher in our shed.

We also picked up the new stove and DH installed that, too. I'm pretty sure he was more than happy to take the old stove to the landfill. That thing was crappy.

We did have Best Buy deliver and install the new refrigerator and washer and dryer. They took away the old washer and dryer, but DH hooked up the old fridge (minus the ice maker) in our laundry room. Only problem there was that the appliance guys reversed the hot and cold water lines for the washer, which we realized after the first few loads we washed. I guess when they tested them during installation, they didn't run the water long enough for it to get really hot, or something. So DH fixed that.

OH... I just looked at the receipt. We paid $29.99 for delivery. (The fridge, washer and dryer were all delivered at the same time.) It doesn't show any separate charge for installation or taking the old appliances.
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Do your elementary schools do outside recess in the winter? The teachers here are encouraged to take the kids outside so long as the temperature is above freezing. (They do take wind chill into consideration, too.)
Our school does outside recess regardless of temperature, but if it's raining, it's inside recess . We're in freaking WA - it rains many, many days between Nov and May.

If our area wasn't so impoverished, there wouldn't be a problem with outdoor recess, but kids come to school with completely inadequate outerwear and they get sick...


The other school in the district has a playshed - a roofed outdoor play area (installed during my dad's tenure on the school board, BTW).


Many of the PTA fund drives at our elementary school are focused on getting a playshed. Unfortunately, the richer people are all in the other elementary school's capture zone...


I've been present for indoor recess. It's ridiculous. We have grade level pods, and they put one classified staff per pod to make sure the noise/roughhousing doesn't get out of control. They're all very sincere but it is not a replacement for running around!!!


They can't use the gym because the gym is fully scheduled for lunches and PE.


It sucks.
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From CR: Frigidaire, Fisher & Paykel, Amana, Maytag, and LG were among the most repair-prone brands; Amana's and Maytag's repair records were affected by a major 2010 recall.

I guess Amana and Maytag aren't usually repair prone! lol

That's purely "reliability" ratings based on their reports of repair from over 82,000 readers.
Which of those brands do you most often see in your local stores? Fisher/Paekel is high end and expensive to repair. From what I can remember, dh said they were a beotch to work on.

Amana isn't the household name it used to be. And Maytag? Bought out by GE years ago.

So what's the best one to buy? The one with the least bells and whistles. When they break down, they'll be easier and cheaper to repair.

Of course, you still have two hands and besides, you never cook!

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On a much sadder note, my mom's house was burglarized last night. I'm not sure what's gone - the deputy secured the door in a way that I can't enter without unsecuring it (and it would be difficult to put back that way).

My brother's coming up from Oregon - I called him to see if he wanted to pick out the door, b/c he's a contractor and it will be his house someday and Mom told me just to pick something - and he decided to come up and take care of it. I think he doesn't think me capable, but hey, I know people, LOL. My contractor is building a house down the road and he would have boarded the door, ordered a new one, and installed it.


Mom says brother is being the man of the family. I told her if she keeps having crises he'll move up here - she is not at all averse to the idea, LOL!


Mom is certainly having a sad year, though. Dad died, three thefts (a raft/dock, kayaks - which were recovered, and now who knows what...). I told her I think it's time for a security system ...
Totally agree.

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Yes I was surprised to see them so far down the list, then I saw the note.


Well today we saw some that I liked, and don't feel I need to spend even $500. Lowe's charges $129 for delivery, set up and haul away the old one. Does that seem high?
No. That's a good price for all the work involved.

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How much of a plumber is your DH, and how difficult would it be for y'all to get rid of the old dishwasher? And would the new one fit in the bed of his truck?

We picked up our new dishwasher at the store, and DH installed it himself. We've had no problems resulting from his installation. But knowing him, he probably still has the old dishwasher in our shed.

We also picked up the new stove and DH installed that, too. I'm pretty sure he was more than happy to take the old stove to the landfill. That thing was crappy.

We did have Best Buy deliver and install the new refrigerator and washer and dryer. They took away the old washer and dryer, but DH hooked up the old fridge (minus the ice maker) in our laundry room. Only problem there was that the appliance guys reversed the hot and cold water lines for the washer, which we realized after the first few loads we washed. I guess when they tested them during installation, they didn't run the water long enough for it to get really hot, or something. So DH fixed that.

OH... I just looked at the receipt. We paid $29.99 for delivery. (The fridge, washer and dryer were all delivered at the same time.) It doesn't show any separate charge for installation or taking the old appliances.
We have a truck and he's a decent plumber. BUT he has a shoulder problem (might be frozen shoulder) and there's no way he can do anything. He's been going to PT for it.


Even with DS, DH would be no help. So he's okay with having it delivered and installed.
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Did you look at any smaller stores who also provide service? We got a much better price from them than from the big box stores.
Not yet. I am wondering if they'd be cheaper, but we went to Lowe's first because I knew they'd be more helpful. It also means their prices are usually a tad higher. It was an investigative trip.
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Which of those brands do you most often see in your local stores? Fisher/Paekel is high end and expensive to repair. From what I can remember, dh said they were a beotch to work on.

Amana isn't the household name it used to be. And Maytag? Bought out by GE years ago.

So what's the best one to buy? The one with the least bells and whistles. When they break down, they'll be easier and cheaper to repair.

Of course, you still have two hands and besides, you never cook!

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Yes those brands were not rated well. I haven't been out shopping in awhile, so had never heard of Bosch but they got good reviews, as did Whirlpool (from Consumer Reports) for reliability and fewer repairs.


I also don't need bells and whistles. I want it to clean well (can check CR for that rating) and that's it. I don't care if the buttons are hidden. I don't care about a lot of stuff on the high end ones.
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No. That's a good price for all the work involved.

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I kind of figured it was. I don't know if that's typical or not. Hauling it off, I know we don't exactly have cheap dump fees out here.
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