Thanks for this thread! I have quite a few Copics, haven't used them much and I wasn't great with the shading. More practice indeed!! I love the look you get with the markers. Read the review here about the S.N. markers and it looks like I will try them. So reasonable, and I just started a part time/seasonal job with one of the "big box" stores so with a sale price & my discount it is becoming more reasonable to me!!! Can't wait! Thanks to all of you for your in put/advice on these, it is appreciated!